[Air-l] How to cite blogs?

[Ren Reynolds]

Just to explain my thinking at the time of creating the example.

02 October 2003 15:09 Frank Schaap wrote
>would the date be part of the blog post title?

In some blogs there is a title for each entry, in other there is simply
a date, so it seemed there should be a place holder in the reference for
entry title \ date. By their nature Blogs tend to be are moment by
moment so the exact time and date of an entry can provide valuable
context. 


>Secondly, why would you have to mention that /Play Money/ is a blog? 
I looked at a few things on Harvard notation and they seems to use the
[type of thing] form in some instances. 
As a practical matter, there is now a lot of stuff that just happens to
be on the web, I think that to provide context its useful to
differentiate between a web site, a forum and a blog. 


>Secondly and a bit: why not use "weblog," that seems somewhat more
official than blog. The makers of MovableType recently changed all
occurances of "blog" in their documentation to "weblog" to reflect this
sensibility. 
My personal feeling is that these are 'blogs', hence Blogger, Blogspot
etc, I feel most bloggers think of themselves as such, why bother
formalizing it. 

>Thirdly, why not use the full URL for pointing to that individual blog
post? Now I have to go hunt it down myself from the index page instead
of cutting/pasting the link.

Because this is not always possible, not all blogs use a bookmark or
unique URL. My blog for instance does not have URLs for each entry. 


>Apart from referring to weblogs, I referred to Usenet newsgroup
postings and not mailinglists. Mailinglists are in principle closed
environments, while I would argue that newsgroups are fundamentally open
forums.

I just thought I would throw listservs in while were at it. 
Some listserves are archived on the web and indexed by Google so that
have a less determinate status.

Ren
www.renreynolds.com

and while we are at it <g>:
renreynolds.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: air-l-admin at aoir.org [mailto:air-l-admin at aoir.org] On Behalf Of
Frank Schaap
Sent: 02 October 2003 15:09
To: air-l at aoir.org
Subject: Re: [Air-l] How to cite blogs?

radhika gajjala wrote:
> amazing how hierarchies always emerge...

*grin* thanks, I needed that.

ren reynolds wrote:
>> Roughly following Harvard style, here is an example of what I have
used
>> in the past, attempting to analogise between the different parts of
the
>> hierarchy had sort of a paper within a journal:
>>
>> Dibble, J. (2003). 'Scammed! (Saturday, July 05, 2003)', Play Money
>> Diary of a Dubious Proposition, [Blog], Available at:
>> www.juliandibbell.com/playmoney/, Date accessed: 03/08/03.

Okay, I'm not really familiar with the Harvard style you mention, but
why 
would the date be part of the blog post title?
Secondly, why would you have to mention that /Play Money/ is a blog? 
(Secondly and a bit: why not use "weblog," that seems somewhat more
official 
than blog. The makers of MovableType recently changed all occurances of 
"blog" in their documentation to "weblog" to reflect this sensibility.)
Thirdly, why not use the full URL for pointing to that individual blog
post? 
Now I have to go hunt it down myself from the index page instead of 
cutting/pasting the link.
IMHO, working from the APA style, it would look something like this
(slashes 
indicate italics):

Dibbell, J. (2003). Scammed! /Play Money: Diary of Dubious Proposition./

Retrieved 3-3-2003 from: 
http://www.juliandibbell.com/playmoney/2003_07_01_playmoney_archive.html
#105742751946738538

Right, I can see now why using the full URL could be a bit of a problem,
but 
   that can't be helped really, I think.

>> As to ethics of citation, I see blogs just like any other web site,
and
>> hence different from listserves which often have stated quotation
rules.

Apart from referring to weblogs, I referred to Usenet newsgroup postings
and 
not mailinglists. Mailinglists are in principle closed environments,
while I 
would argue that newsgroups are fundamentally open forums.


Frank.


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