[Air-l] minorities

[jeremy hunsinger]

I think everyone agrees with most of the points below, the difference, 
at least for me, is that it is less a matter of 'letting it be virtual' 
  as 'making it be virtual' and then the question becomes one of 
logistics, which then brings up money and labor as mentioned many times 
below.

so here is what I suggest, why don't those people who want to work on 
making this happen, take a few days, get together via email, and write 
up some ideas oriented how they personally would be involved in getting 
it done, but not merely advocating that it should be done.  with that 
in hand, I and I'm sure others in the executive will advocate the 
establishment of an official working group that can be charged with 
making it happen.



On Oct 7, 2004, at 10:01 AM, Cristian Berrío Zapata wrote:

> Enrique:
>
> Estoy absolutamente de acuerdo contigo, el tema de la barrera de idioma
> + la berrea de visa + las barreras económicas dejan siempre de lado a
> aquello que más necesitan de espacios como los de AOIR
>
> I hope that for those not Spanish speakers, the above simple of what
> means to have linguistic barriers have not been traumatic ;-).
>
> I again stress that it is not only about linguistic barriers when
> discussing about the place of AOIR next conference. Pls. note that you
> all had included political restrictions to moving, and I included
> economical budget barriers for logistics.
>
> Then I conclude that if AOIR people wants to be consistent with a
> "one-world-for-all" view, it is imperative to put ICT tools to work for
> people.  Let the conference be dual virtual and real.
>
> Cristian Berrío Zapata
> Profesor PUJ - UNAL
> Facultad de Economía
> Teléfono (57 3)300 817 9849
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> CHAT cristianberrioz at hotmail.com
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: air-l-aoir.org-bounces at listserv.aoir.org
> [mailto:air-l-aoir.org-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] En nombre de Enrique 
> S
> Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Octubre de 2004 12:54 p.m.
> Para: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Asunto: Re: [Air-l] minorities
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I'm new at this list, first I'll briefly introduce myself. I'm just
> a phd student from Argentina, in USA, studying intercultural -and
> multilingual- online communities and I found this debate very
> interesting. But as a Spanish-speaking researcher I think I can say a
> pair of things about this issue.
> Language is an obstacle even for those *very few* fortunate like me
> that can read, write, listen and speak English in a more or less
> acceptable level. But, even more, there are many excellent researchers
>  in the world, specially those older and more experienced, for whom
> English is an absolute barrier, and because of that the mainstream
> research can't get their outcomes.
>
> I agree with Jarek that priorities are first, budget second. What is a
> sustainable project worth for without goals? But priorities are so
> difficult to agree with when parts don't share backgrounds, and
> perspectives.
>
> Unfortunately, we know there are no easy solutions for the old problem
> originated in Babel (talking about the Iraqi region... ;-). But as a
> start, I would humbly suggest to all English-speakers to make the
> effort of learning at least one foreign language and travel to a
> country were they have to use it to survive. That's an excelllent
> learning experience for anybody. Feeling what's to be 'minority' for a
> moment may help them to understand the need of addressing the language
> problem.
>
>
> Regards, saludos,
>
> Enrique Stanziola
> U of Maryland, Baltimore County
>
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:12:22 -0400, jeremy hunsinger <jhuns at vt.edu>
> wrote:
>>> Ok, so we don't have the Pentagon budget. Can we afford the loss? I
>>> think that our priorities should be put first, then the money will
>>> follow, not the other way around.
>>
>> then we go bankrupt:)  no thanks:)  sustainability is the first goal.
>> if we don't exist anymore, we can't have goals....
>>
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