[Air-l] Permissions for web images that no longer exist

[Gilbert B. Rodman]

All fair enough and that makes good sense.  And I'm not a lawyer (I don't 
even play one on TV).  I was simply noting that there *is* an existing 
practice in the publishing industry that seems to deal with the sort of 
conundrum Mia's describing.  I know that not all publishers follow this 
practice, though, and suspect that the ones who avoid it do so for 
precisely the sort of reasons that Dan suggests.

Cheers
Gil


At 4/27/2005 @ 08:28 AM, you wrote:
>Interesting suggestion, but unclear what the point may be.  Copyright
>liability is strict in the U.S. and other jurisditions with which I am
>familiar; for liability to attach it doesn't really matter whether you
>engaged in good faith efforts to find the copyright holder or not.
>
>In the U.S., once you've lost an infringement suit, I suppose that the
>paper trail might allow you to avoid an increased damage award for willful
>infringement under the 504(c)(2) statutory damages provision.  But at the
>same time it suggests that you knew or should have known the material was
>protected by copyright, so that you coudn't raise the 504(c) "innocent
>infringer" defense to get lowered damages.  In fact, it may be that the
>paper trail *demonstrates* that the infringement was willful.  So this
>practice appears to cut both ways, not necessarily to your advantage.
>
>DLB
>
>P.S. Disclaimer again.
>
>
>On 27 Apr 2005, Gilbert B. Rodman wrote:
> > If the publisher wants you to get permissions, but you've got not ready
> > access to the permission holders (or even any sense who those might be),
> > there's always the sort of notice/disclaimer that reads something like:
> > "every effort has been made to secure permission for use of copyrighted
> > materials.  in the event of a copyright query, please contact the
> > publishers."  Your publisher may not want to do that, but it's a common
> > enough practice that it's worth asking about.  If nothing else, it helps
>to
> > demonstrate that you did, in fact, engage in good faith efforts to locate
>
> > relevant copyright holder -- especially if you keep a paper/e-mail trail
>of
> > those efforts.
> >
> > cheers
> > gil
> >
> >
> > At 4/27/2005 @ 01:03 AM, you wrote:
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >I've run up against a problem that has my publisher stumped as well. If
> > >you're publishing a book or journal article and want to use pictures
>from
> > >a Web site, and you have the pictures but the site is no longer in
> > >existence, do you need permission? How would you handle this?
> > >
> > >And also, what is the site still exists, but all emails to the authors
>of
> > >the site bounce?
> > >
> > >Any help or pointers of where to look would be greatly appreciated.
> > >thanks!
> > >Mia
> > >
> > >Mia Consalvo, Ph.D.
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> > >Chubu University
> > >Japan
> > >
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