[Air-l] we need a new word? (Intern)
Dan L Burk
burkx006 at umn.edu
Mon Mar 21 06:24:02 PST 2005
See Bob Cannon's 2002 paper, "Will the Real Internet Please Stand Up?":
http://tprc.org/papers/2002/165/RealInternet.htm
Note especially his conclusion, and the postscript. DLB
On 20 Mar 2005, jeremy hunsinger wrote:
> many of the descriptions so far take 'communication' as a the noun, and
> while this is fine for some descriptions of some events, it tends to
> leave out much of the rest of the ecological systems that these in
> which these technics are enmeshed. the objects that barry brought up,
> were systems and technologies, onto which communication can be mapped,
> onto which media can be mapped, but I think it should be very obvious
> that when we are talking about their whole existence, from their
> origination to their use, that not every part of that will be mapped by
> communication and/or media. most, but perhaps not all of their human
> use could be said to be communication, but... what about installation,
> and interface, they seem to be mediated experiences that don't always
> pertain directly to communication, and while they might be mediated by
> speaker or screen, that mediation might not encapsulate the whole
> social imaginary that affects the world in which they are used.
>
> the internet is the general network we study, which is a network of
> networks, built on the principle that information can be encapsulated
> in packets, and routed by defining the endpoint, thus allowing the
> computers or relevant technologies to communicate. computers and
> technologies have devices that mediate the information that they
> receive into user accessible experiences. this is true insofaras I can
> determine, so internet technologies will always be information
> technologies, mediated technologies, and communication technologies in
> some respect. however, the technologies exist through society, and
> individuals, both simplisticly as objects, but also in much more
> complicated ways, that affect our lives, cultures, etc. -- our mental
> ecology, our social ecology, and our environmental ecology.
>
> so, that's why I use "ICT" and then describe what I'm talking about
> further should the need arise.
> On Mar 20, 2005, at 4:05 AM, richard-seyler.ling at telenor.com wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't a type of overly technical description be IP mediated
> > communication? All the things you describe are IP based and go via
> > the Internet. Yet they are communication (in the social sense of the
> > word).
> >
> > Using IP mediated communication would allow us the fun of coining a
> > new acronym like IPMC or IPMECOM or IPCOM that only the cognicenti
> > understand for awhile.
> >
> > I note, however, that your discussion does not necessarily include
> > mobile communication. For that we would need another acronym like
> > MOMECOM for mobile mediated communication.
> >
> > Rich L.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: air-l-aoir.org-bounces at listserv.aoir.org
> > [mailto:air-l-aoir.org-bounces at listserv.aoir.org]On Behalf Of Barry
> > Wellman
> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 16:45 PM
> > To: aoir list
> > Subject: [Air-l] we need a new word?
> >
> >
> > I was speaking at a seminar for non-techies at MIT yesterday (not a
> > contradiction, as these were community development folks from across
> > the
> > USofA).
> >
> > And I found myself saying -- and my PPTs reading -- "Internet" -- but
> > then
> > verbally qualifying by saying, "well I really don't mean the
> > traditional
> > email Internet, but also IM, chat, lists, video, etc." (add your
> > favorite
> > including Usenet and BBS).
> >
> > What to call it? "Computer mediated communication" is a mouthful,
> > jargony
> > and chews up PPT space. "New media" is too indistinct and PoMo:
> > moreover,
> > is email "new media" any more? We should focus on the affordances of
> > the media and not on the newness.
> >
> > So what to call it. My first thought at the breakfast table was
> > "e-media",
> > but I am open to other suggestions. I also am putting it on the list,
> > because I am confident that others have had similar dilemmas, and that
> > it
> > would be best if we had a standard word.
> >
> > Barry
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