[Air-l] Facebook and privacy

Nathaniel Poor natpoor at umich.edu
Sun Sep 10 07:48:21 PDT 2006

I think the two go together very well, and danah's quote is really nice.

Facebookers gave up their privacy, in the info-org view, when they  
made their accounts and posted whatever info they did and when they  
even do actions on Facebook (since webservers keep records of actions)

but as users they probably (I haven't asked) weren't thinking about  
it very much -- their *experience* was that they could do all these  
things on the web and no one they knew really knew what they were  
doing (so, maybe Amazon would show them their recently viewed  
products, but only to the user, and does Amazon look at that on the  
individual level? -- that's rhetorical)

so privacy was their previous experience, but not the actual state of  
the data
perhaps "realization" or "exposure" have a place here, but I don't  
want to introduce more vocabulary


On Sep 10, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Charles Ess wrote:

> I don't want to take away from the importance of the comments below -
> but on their occasion, simply comment:
> in the fields of information and computer ethics (ICE), one of the  
> most
> important theoretical approaches these days is authored by a chap  
> at Oxford
> named Luciano Floridi.  His information ontology is a radical re- 
> visioning
> of traditional metaphysics and ontology, so as to make  
> "information" the
> basic unit of reality.
> On this view, further, you _are_ your information (Floridi has  
> recently
> denoted human beings as "inforgs" - (connected) informational  
> organisms.
> On this view, privacy is very much a matter of a state of data.   
> Generally,
> as computer ethicist James Moor famously (at least within ICE) noted,
> electronic means of communication, and most especially the internet,
> "grease" information, making it far easier to transmit, collect,
> redistribute, etc.
> Within this framework, privacy is a matter of "informational  
> friction" -
> slowing down / stopping specific information from leaking beyond  
> specified
> boundaries.
> I'm _not_ trying to suggest an either/or here between privacy as  
> data and
> privacy as user experience - but rather to say that it would be really
> interesting to combine these two views ...
> so many projects, so little time...  Thanks, everyone, for your  
> comments on
> this thread - invaluable!
> - c.
>> danah has articulated something enormously important:
>>  "Privacy is an experience that people have, not a state of data."
>> This has strong implications for the ways we design technologies for
>> privacy. If privacy is a user experience issue, then the process for
>> design should be organized accordingly and cannot be accomplished  
>> without
>> the involvement of actual participants in the community who will  
>> use that
>> technology. If privacy is a data issue, then a completely  
>> different set of
>> heuristics apply.
>> thank you, danah!
>> Andrea
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