[Air-l] FW: list etiquette

elw at stderr.org elw at stderr.org
Mon Sep 11 07:30:11 PDT 2006

I've met most of the people you're angry with or criticizing.

To a man (or woman :) ), they are decent, kind, understanding, and 
reasonable folks.  [Some notable exceptions, but... they are pretty much 
'good people'.]

I haven't met you, and don't know when or if that will be possible.

Your presented demeanor, and your habit of trying to make the list fit 
your own stated needs rather than trying to ensure that your 
communications are actually appropriate for the list, make it much less 
likely that others will wish to communicate with you.

I think that, overall, you're a wee bit upset because you feel like an 
'outsider'.  Well, yes.  You are currently a new list member, and should 
expect people not to know quite how to react to you -- they don't ask you 
for advice or ask you for help because they have no idea who you are.

A period of some years of patient and helpful participation will do much 
to improve the treatment you receive from members of the list.

I am genuinely trying to help you, with this message, and hope that you 
will take it in the spirit in which it is written.



On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, Dr. W. Reid Cornwell wrote:

> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:43:32 -0600
> From: Dr. W. Reid Cornwell <wrc at tcfir.org>
> Reply-To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org, wrc at tcfir.org
> To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: [Air-l] FW: list etiquette
> For those of you that have been speculating that I am Rasputin I hate to
> disappoint you but I am not him. Charles is correct that they are associated
> with me but I did not put them up to those communications. I did allow them
> to change the login to the listserv but what transpired is not of my doing.
> Having said that, I have several things to bring to your attention.
> I agree with everything that Rasputin said. (I have read them)
> I have also read my own communications to the listserv. (over 150 pages)
> While they arguably could be considered aggressive, they have not labeled
> anyone and have been directed towards specific points that should be
> considered.
> I argue that the most strident posts that I have made have been a reaction
> to attacks by others and that even then what could be considered and attack
> by me was framed as a question.
> I assert that others have been allowed to label and to nuance criticism
> without rapprochement.
> I assert that under the color of an alias (KQ-Amazon) has been allowed to
> level disrespectful communications and no one has risen to my defense. No
> one has challenged the alias.
> I assert that Terri Senft has been allowed, without rapprochement, to use
> vulgar epithets and she has done so on three different occasions.
> The arguably unethical or professional attack on my part was the poking of
> fun at Jeremy for his use of dense language.
> I assert that Charles Ess agreed with my assessment of the lack of clear
> definitions and then reprimanded me for having said it not to his liking.
> I assert that Charles Ess as the result of a private communication, by
> someone else, has labeled me unprofessional and unethical in the public
> forum.
> I don't have to prove any points I have made. They are a matter of the
> archival record.
> I stand by the comments below.
> Reid
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rasputin [mailto:rasputin at sukinsyn.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:04 PM
> To: wrc at tcfir.org
> Subject: FW: list etiquette
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rasputin [mailto:rasputin at sukinsyn.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:25 PM
> To: 'Charles Ess'
> Subject: RE: list etiquette
> Rules or customs have no meaning when they are differently applied.
> Words like unprofessional, unethical, trolling, fan boy are only applied by
> the inner circle of a group identity that seeks to exclude.
> Hiding behind an alias is a well entrenched Internet behavior and practiced
> by more than one AOIR member. Why has the collective voice been silent till
> now?
> These dialogues bare the ugly truths of a private club. He/she is not our
> kind of people. He /She is unprofessional.
> It's permissible for Joe BagofDonuts to use the bandwidth to appeal for the
> rescue from poor planning. (rooms in Brisbane) (not of general interest). I
> resent having this in my mailbox. Who has flamed them.
> It's hard to look at the dark underbelly of these pretensions. All the
> academic language in the dictionary can't hide the snobbery. This dialogue
> says more about AOIR than me.
> "When pricked do I not bleed"
> Rasputin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Ess [mailto:cmess at drury.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:30 AM
> To: Rasputin
> Cc: air-exec at listserv.aoir.org; jeremy hunsinger
> Subject: list etiquette
> "Rasputin," cc to AoIR Executive Committee, Jeremy Hunsinger.
> "Rasputin" wrote
>> Perhaps, aside from "we've always done this way", you could give an
> answer.
> I am happy to engage in online discussion - but not with
> interlocutors who are hiding behind a pseudonym;
> whose primary mode of discourse is attack - indeed, whose primary mode of
> discourse seems mostly to head in the direction of trolling;
> and whose pseudonym almost certainly masks an interlocutor and/or consociate
> who has already established a pattern of attack / trolling -
> including personal attacks, both by innuendo onlist and directly offlist.
> At best, such behavior is unprofessional - especially for someone hoping to
> make constructive use of internet technologies for communication.  At best,
> such behavior is unconstructive and a waste of everyone's time and
> resources.
> At worst, such behavior is unethical, because it fails to begin with a
> minimum of respect for others.
> Come out from behind the pseudonym, take clear and personal responsibility
> for your words, engage with us constructively and professionally, and I'll
> be happy to continue the conversation.
> - charles ess
> Distinguished Research Professor,
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