[Air-l] Air-list

Thu Sep 14 00:04:12 PDT 2006

Steve,

In mode 1 the Universities and their social structures and customs (praxis)
have a stranglehold on the creation and dissemination of knowledge. In mode
2 applications become a major driving force. In this scenario practitioners
in search of solutions to real world problems take on a more important role.
These practitioners are not likely to be Ph.D.s. Gibbons does not directly
say this but it is inherent in the mode 2 schema.

I have interviewed and evaluated industrial scientists for decades. Moderate
deep learning, creativity and a real world vision is the sought after
commodity. This is directly opposite of the institutional hiring and
research policies of the Universities.

Which brings us directly back to the article in TheScience magazine.

Also in industry the sharing of knowledge is the rule, in academia the
ownership of knowledge prevails. I know this is counter-intuitive
considering that Universities are centers of learning.

One only has to look at disciplinarity in Universities and the difficulty of
establishing true cross-disciplinarity. You see the same thing happening in
this listserv conflict. Ie. "We own the knowledge" about the internet."
You're not an academic so you don't know anything.

My views are particularly problematic because I'm a heretic in the "Temple
of Phud" and alien with my real world orientation.

Perish the future.

I'm really enjoying this exchange.

Reid

-----Original Message-----
From: air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org
[mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Steve Eskow
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:08 AM
To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org; wrc at tcfir.org
Subject: Re: [Air-l] Air-list

Reid,

I'd be interested in the parallel to your views that you find in Michael
Gibbons. His principal point, if I recall correctly, has to do with the
difference between "Mode 1" and "Mode 2" approaches to the production and
dissemination of knowledge. Is that your understanding?

The "Mode 2" approach seems to have important implications for the relations
between university research and the future of the Internet. Have you
discussed that relationship?

I don't recall is emphasizing the matter of the Ph.D. and university
employment.

Steve Eskow

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Dr. W. Reid Cornwell
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:27 PM
To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
Subject: Re: [Air-l] Air-list

I am addressing the term "list-relevant"

Air-1 Archives contain:

1096 Articles that contain "education" as a topic
491 that have references to "jobs"
708 that have reference to "positions"
2084 that have reference to "PhD and education"

Scholar.google.com reveals 103 peer reviewed articles on "Monster Board"
Alone

Scholar.google.com has 28,900 hits on "job search"

Scholar.google.com has 224 hits on "internet job search"

There are no references to Monster Board in the AOIR archive.

"The New Production of knowledge" Gibbons et al makes significant points
about PhD and Universities that parallels my view.

I guess I have no clue as to what is listserv-relevant.

There are only 600 references to "AOIR" total and some of them are about
"Ambient Ingress Oxygen Rate"

Reid

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of joshua raclaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:20 PM
To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
Subject: Re: [Air-l] Air-list

Christian,

I wouldn't say we all have the 'have to' impulse, having deleted a number of
these recent emails outright rather than wade through them all while hoping
for
something list-relevant :)

I'm not sure I see the connection between that kind of impetus and F2F
habits,
though - attending to list posts involves actively opening emails using a
medium that was designed for asynchronous communication, which I don't see
much
of a parallel to in face to face spoken discourse (though I could certainly
see
a parallel between the unopened mail in the inbox to the summons of a
telephone
ring, where the 'expected' action is to give the message your time).  I
think
defining 'the floor' as being the same in email and F2F is where I'm seeing
the
disconnect.

Joshua

Joshua Raclaw - PhD student
Department of Linguistics
Culture, Language & Social Practice
University of Colorado at Boulder
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~raclaw/

Quoting Christian Nelson <xianknelson at mac.com>:

*
* On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:33 PM, radhika gajjala wrote:
*
* > its so sad that people (and I include myself here) have to waste their
* > time and energy arguing over all this when there is so much else to be
* > done - both onine and offline.
*
* "Have to"? That's the feeling I'm interested in. Does everyone feel
* that? They can't help but read everything posted to the list? Where
* does that come from? Is it, as I earlier suggested, due to a holdover
* of f2f habits, or something else?
* --Christian
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