[Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing

Barry Wellman wellman at chass.utoronto.ca
Sun Jan 21 09:35:58 PST 2007


My sense is that I was hypothesizing about the broad middle while danah is
talking atypical cases. So both of us are right. Suicidal (or attempted
suicidal) teens were big in my generation too. Hmn, should Romeo and
Juliet have gone to couples therapy?

 Barry Wellman
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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Paul DiPerna wrote:

> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:20:50 -0700
> From: Paul DiPerna <pdiperna at blauexchange.org>
> To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Cc: aoir.z3z at danah.org, wellman at chass.utoronto.ca
> Subject: RE: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
>
>
> This thread is interesting..
>
> I admit not being very familiar with studies on teen behavior.  But a
> few years ago I came across the following research, which offer
> interesting surveys of teens:
>
> Barbara Schneider and David Stevenson. (2000)  The Ambitious Generation.
>
>   *Observes teens in the 50s and early 90s.
>
> Laurence Steinberg. (1997)  Beyond the Classroom.
>
>   *Observes teens in the mid-to-late 80s.
>
> Conclusions in their research may not be as relevant when talking about
> Millennials and how they interact with their parents today, however..
> I can't remember how the surveys address child-parent interactions..
>
> This question is for anyone on our list.. maybe to add more context for
> the thread --
>
>
> What are some recent/high-quality empirical studies addressing teen
> behavior?
>
>
> How can these kinds of studies inform us about how current teens may use
> the Web?
>
>
>
> - Paul
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>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
> From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z at danah.org>
> Date: Sun, January 21, 2007 4:49 am
> To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Cc: aoir list <air-l at aoir.org>
>
> What do you mean by terrify their parents?  What are you referencing
> when you say that most teens engage in this behavior?
>
> I'm definitely seeing most American teens doing anything to avoid
> scrutiny but that doesn't mean that their choices don't terrify their
> parents.  Amongst the more protective parents, _anything_ their teen
> does that is about social status management terrifies the parents.
> This creates a pretty bad cycle of deception and attempts to hide
> what's going on, much of which is "normal" teen behavior.  One thing
> that is definitely at play is that there's a LOT more surveillance
> going on.  Your teen-parent dialogue has been pretty much obliterated
> because parents aren't allowing their teens out without a
> justification... no justification, no going out.  Plus, the phone is
> there as a constant leash.
>
> I am, sadly, finding that some teens engage in some pretty heart-
> wrenching activities to gain the attention of parents whose focus is
> elsewhere.  This appears to cross SES.  In particular, i've seen self-
> harm (primarily cutting) used for this purpose.  Anything to make
> their parents pay attention to them...  These stories kill me.
>
> I've also seen plenty of teens who are genuinely angry at their
> parents (much of this seems to stem from divorce or violence between
> the parents); their reaction to this can be self-destruction.  I
> suspect that the reason for this is that the parents actually come
> together over the kid so when the kid is in crisis.. this motivates
> some teens to be in crisis.
>
> danah
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
>
> > I am puzzled by the notion that most teens will do things to
> > terrify their
> > parents. Are there data on that? Or is it just autobiographical
> > projection?
> >
> > Speaking autobiographically, and from a distance of 50 years, I
> > suggest
> > that most teens will try to avoid their parents' scrutiny.
> > Terrifying them
> > would only bring more scrutiny.
> >
> > "Where did you go?
> > "Out.
> > "What did you do?
> > "Nothing."
> >
> > is the title, of a book about teen-parents relationships. By Robert
> > Paul
> > Smith.
> > Published in 1959, which suggests that it was a general phenomenon
> > then
> > for my generation. And still in print, according to Amazon, which
> > suggests
> > some longterm relevance.
> >
> >  Barry Wellman, with fond memories for the Fordham Flames.
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> >   Barry Wellman   S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology   NetLab Director
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