[Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing (fwd)

[Sam Ladner]

Fascinating discussion everyone.

Not to be a qualitative chauvinist, but I think we're missing the point if we rely solely on ratios of behavior defined as deviant or anti-social.

When you look at "hours of work" certainly agrarian economies rivaled today's most demanding white-collar jobs. What is significantly different, however, is how people interpret work versus non-work life. 

I would argue that the advancement of life outside the domestic sphere has radically altered how work/non-work is experienced.  In an agrarian community, I would argue that non-work involved many of the same people as work. In other words, social isolation did not necessarily result from long hours of work.

Likewise, let us not forget that the most radical social change of the 20th century was the mass influx of "non-working" women into the paid work force. This change cannot be ignored; domestic life will never be the same.

Where once social isolation was a rare thing (kinship ties could be stifling yes, but they were also successful in bringing many people into the social world). Today's modern anomie is coupled with an intense struggle between work and non-work in the domestic realm. 

How might this struggle be affecting children? How might this struggle be affecting socialization? Social reproduction? And ultimately, social isolation of teens? I am very interested in what Canadian psychiatrist Gabor Maté refers to as the "peer-orientation" of today's youth.

Sam Ladner
PhD Candidate
York U
Director, Research and Planning
Critical Mass Inc.

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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:59:52 -0500
> From: Barry Wellman <wellman at chass.utoronto.ca>
> To: danah boyd <aoir.z3z at danah.org>
> Cc: Paul DiPerna <pdiperna at blauexchange.org>, air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
> 
> 1. I still maintain the cup half-full and half-empty position as a working
> hypothesis. While not being a quant chauvanist, I would like to know the
> %age of American teens and of their parent/s who are seriously stressed --
> more than the typical teen stress of the past.
> 
> 2. If this %age is large or small, danah's point makes sense: the Internet
> creates a visible venue for teens to exhibit such stress and find others
> to engage in dysfuncitonal activity. My generation just joined gangs: see
> The Wanderers (or read the book).
> 
> 3. There are some stats that back danah's position that there structural
> conditions for teen dysfunctionality are greater than before. Rutgers
> sociologist was on CBC this AM maintaining that single parenting is up in
> a generation from 17% to 35% (it was pre-coffee: all summaries a bit
> vague). And certainly dual jobs are up compared to the 20th century, but
> not compared to the 3rd world or the agrarian 19th century.
> 
> Everything old is new again!
>  Barry Wellman
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