[Air-L] wikileaks and "Classified" status, and now Columbia
nativebuddha at gmail.com
Sat Dec 4 06:40:11 PST 2010
now columbia is saying don't look, don't post.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Christopher Richter
<crichter at hollins.edu>wrote:
> Thanks for the links!
> Common sense? Authority, hierarchy, and bureaucratic processes are at
> stake--common sense could compromise smooth day-to-day functioning of a huge
> system like the military/intelligence/diplomacy complex.
> Christopher J. Richter
> crichter at hollins.edu
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> air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:45 AM
> To: nativebuddha
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> Subject: Re: [Air-L] wikileaks and "Classified" status
> I have a security clearance (10 years now) and work with classified
> information. This is a pretty intricate issue.
> It is illegal to obtain classified information which you are not authorized
> to view. It is illegal to distribute (remove) classified information from
> classified networks (without authorization) and give to people without
> clearances, or to put it on an unclassified network.
> A Classified Message Incident (CMI) results from posing classified
> information from SIPRNET (Secret network) or JWICS (Top Secret network) on
> NIPRNET (Unclassified network) - "spillage". A CMI can result in immediate
> revocation of clearance, and pending on its severity, can land you in jail
> just as quick. There is a matrix to determine the severity of the CMI
> dependent on multiple attributes which I do not believe I can discuss in
> this forum.
> It is not illegal to publish classified information once it is in the
> public domain - reference the Pentagon papers. However the brazen young
> intelligence soldier who took the information is in some deep trouble. Also,
> read this link posted by the EFF that directly answers your question more
> technically: http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2010/09/public_class.html
> Given that the information on the wikileaks site is still classified by the
> US Government, administratively (and technically), it is still illegal to
> view it. But this is really only cosmetic in nature - once classified
> information is made public, the logic and reasoning behind it being
> classified is no longer valid, and quite honestly, rather arbitrary. Whether
> you want to go look at it... thats your call really. However the practical
> enforcement of the Government to locate and prosecute those who do... you'd
> have a better chance of winning the lottery. This is how they still prevent
> current government (military) employees from accessing/reading those
> documents as stupid as this sounds. Wired's Danger Room article sums it up
> quite nicely:
> "That cry you hear? It's common sense writhing in pain." Indeed it is...
> Thomas Jones
> http://www.TheOtherTomJones.com <http://www.theothertomjones.com/>
> One should guard against preaching to young people success in the customary
> form as the main aim in life. The most important motive for work in school
> and in life is pleasure in work, pleasure in its result, and the knowledge
> of the value of the result to the community.
> -- Albert Einstein, On Education --
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> On Wednesday, December 1, 2010 at 10:22 AM, nativebuddha wrote:
> > Does anyone know the law on "Classified " docs and entering the public
> > domain?
> > Do they retain the "Classified" status, even though millions of people
> > read them? I know that military officials without clearance are being
> > that they can't read the "Classified" docs. Isn't odd that they can't an
> > everyone else can?
> > -robert
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