[Air-L] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences

[michael gurstein]

True, but software now handles a lot of the organizational issues related to
(particularly OA) publishing (we use OJS <http://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs> ) and
varous forms of communication and information management tools handle quite
a lot of the "expertise" issues... (by for example, dramatically increasing
the range of human and other resources to which one has easy and low cost
access including for editing, reviewing, consulting with colleagues,
software support etc. 

 

It doesn't reduce the need for the expertise but it does make accessing and
using that expertise a lot more time/cost efficient (in publishing as in
almost every other area of human endeavour...But of course, the expertise
requirement that remains.

 

M

 

Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.

Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics

web: http://ci-journal.net

email: gurstein at gmail.com

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Butler [mailto:bsbutler at umd.edu] 

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:49 AM

To: michael gurstein

Cc: <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>

Subject: Re: [Air-L] For everyone and their grad students: Fake,
pay-to-publish journals & conferences

 

mmm.  It is worthwhile to distinguish "publishing" from "distribution".  

 

Distribution has gotten much cheaper.  

Publishing remains a highly labor intensive activity that requires
significant expertise and organization to do well.  

 

..

 

 

 

On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote:

 

> Publishing may be dirt cheap but any systematic/formal e.g. academic 

> publishing isn't free... So the problem is that while there is a 

> necessary and valuable shift from commercial publishing (and 

> outrageous profiteering) to open access online publishing there really 

> aren't any good business models yet to cover the (much less but not 

> totally trivial) costs of the new forms of academic publishing.

> 

> If for whatever reason (and there are lots including the issues 

> pointed to

> here) one doesn't want to go to a pay for play model that leaves

> advertising(???) or donations (???) or...

> 

> M

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org

> [mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Elijah Wright

> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:38 AM

> To: Nathaniel Poor

> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org list

> Subject: Re: [Air-L] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, 

> pay-to-publish journals & conferences

> 

> How long till someone marries up the PGP Web-of-Trust and LinkedIn and 

> ISI impact factors / JCR and some other social media data to vet 

> conferences as reputable or not?

> 

> Imagine cryptographically signing that you were at a conference and 

> found it viable as a real academic interaction - or not.  And being 

> able to mark as trusted/invalidating other people's evaluations of events.

> 

> And imagine how little time it would take for people to start trying 

> to game such a system.  ;-)

> 

> best,

> 

> --e

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Nathaniel Poor <natpoor at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

>> 

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-

>> w

>> orld-of-pseudo-academia.html

>> 

>> "The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called

>> Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation 

>> to the leading professional association of scientists who study 

>> insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...."

>> 

>> This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a 

>> newspaper story.

>> 

>> -------------------------------

>> Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D.

>> http://natpoor.blogspot.com/

>> https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/

>> 

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