[Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu

[Nathaniel Poor]

It seems like double billing. 

Your U paid you to do the research. Your U pays the publisher to allow access for those at your U to that research. 

That is simplified, but not inaccurate. 

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> On Dec 7, 2013, at 2:46 PM, "Gil De Zuniga, Homero" <hgz at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
> 
> I know this might sound a bit odd, and I admit it beforehand : -}
> But it sends to me that "us" researchers are the ones who are really losing in this trend, beyond the discussion of open research.
> 1. We do the research
> 2. We review the research
> 3. The research gets published by Elsevier and other publishers, or Academia.edu
> 4. We make no money.
> 5. They do.
> I agree the system should be open. But if it's not, why shouldn't be the case that at least a decent part of the financial benefits revert back to the authors, departments, research units, schools, etc...
> Saludos,
> HGZ
> 
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Robert W. Gehl"
> Date:12/07/2013 11:08 (GMT-06:00)
> To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu
> 
> Setting aside individual publishers' rules about posting pre-prints to a
> /personal/ site, I've wondered for some time why publishers have not yet
> gone after Academia.edu, which is not a personal site, but a centralized
> social network built in part on top of a lot of copyright violations.
> It's YouTube all over again.
> 
> - Rob
> 
> Robert W. Gehl
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>> On 12/07/2013 08:28 AM, Jen Jack Gieseking wrote:
>> To determine exactly what versions of papers you are allowed to post
>> publicly per contracts, you can use the Sherpa Romeo database to search
>> copyright policies of most journals in a clear, easy to understand format:
>> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/.
>> JJG
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Digital and Computational Studies Initiative, Bowdoin College
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>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Michael Zimmer <zimmerm at uwm.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Precisely.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Michael Zimmer, PhD
>>> Assistant Professor, School of Information Studies
>>> Director, Center for Information Policy Research
>>> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>>> e: zimmerm at uwm.edu
>>> w: www.michaelzimmer.org<http://www.michaelzimmer.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011 at reagle.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/06/2013 10:41 PM, Michael Zimmer wrote:
>>>>> Whoever wrote this isn't very familiar with publisher copyright
>>>>> transfer agreements.
>>>> Some publishers often distinguish between the author's draft and the
>>>> final peer reviewed and paginated version. That is, posting a draft on
>>>> your site (or to SSRN, say) is permissible, copying the final version is
>>>> not. Hence I'm curious as to which these removed versions were?
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