[Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu

Sat Dec 7 15:16:47 PST 2013

John, they do a great deal of work to make publications occur.  I grant you
that, but they are not paying for the vast majority of labor they rely
upon. If I review a paper, it is 3-4 hours of reading, checking ideas, etc.
If we assume we all only receive papers that are in the center of our
active research programs, narrow that down to 1-2 hours for a thoughtful,
useful review.  Even that low number yields some potentially expensive
reviews for many comm/ICT journals that publish 80-100 articles annually if
publishers were paying for the actually work product.

I for one would like to have 1/2 my hourly consulting rate for the reviews
I did last year. Homero probably would as well.

Darren

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 5:02 PM, John McNutt <mcnuttjg at netzero.com> wrote:

> I agree but there is a lot of expensive stuff here.  Even if you take the
> physical distribution out of the mix, publishers do a lot of things to get
> it out the door, keep it indexed and marketed and so forth.   Some
> associations (many of which are small) use publishers to meet a lot of
> their back office needs as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org [mailto:
> air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Poor
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:59 PM
> To: Gil De Zuniga, Homero
> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu
>
> It seems like double billing.
>
> Your U paid you to do the research. Your U pays the publisher to allow
> access for those at your U to that research.
>
> That is simplified, but not inaccurate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 7, 2013, at 2:46 PM, "Gil De Zuniga, Homero" <
> hgz at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I know this might sound a bit odd, and I admit it beforehand : -} But
> > it sends to me that "us" researchers are the ones who are really losing
> in this trend, beyond the discussion of open research.
> > 1. We do the research
> > 2. We review the research
> > 3. The research gets published by Elsevier and other publishers, or
> > Academia.edu 4. We make no money.
> > 5. They do.
> > I agree the system should be open. But if it's not, why shouldn't be the
> case that at least a decent part of the financial benefits revert back to
> the authors, departments, research units, schools, etc...
> > Saludos,
> > HGZ
> >
> > Homero Gil de Zúñiga
> > Associate Professor
> > Director, Digital Media Research Program (DMRP)
> > communication.utexas.edu/strauss/dmrp
> > Annette Strauss Institute for Civic Life College of Communication
> > University of Texas - Austin utexas.edu Voice (512) 471 6323 Fax (512)
> > 471 7979 www.homerogdz.com Google Scholar Profile @_HGZ_
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: "Robert W. Gehl"
> > Date:12/07/2013 11:08 (GMT-06:00)
> > To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu
> >
> > Setting aside individual publishers' rules about posting pre-prints to
> > a /personal/ site, I've wondered for some time why publishers have not
> > yet gone after Academia.edu, which is not a personal site, but a
> > centralized social network built in part on top of a lot of copyright
> violations.
> > It's YouTube all over again.
> >
> > - Rob
> >
> > Robert W. Gehl
> > Assistant Professor, Department of Communication Affiliated Faculty,
> > University Writing Program The University of Utah
> > www.robertwgehl.org<http://www.robertwgehl.org> | @robertwgehl Sent
> > from our OS on our Internet
> >
> > Watch for my book, Reverse Engineering Social Media, from Temple in
> > 2014
> >
> >> On 12/07/2013 08:28 AM, Jen Jack Gieseking wrote:
> >> To determine exactly what versions of papers you are allowed to post
> >> publicly per contracts, you can use the Sherpa Romeo database to
> >> search copyright policies of most journals in a clear, easy to
> understand format:
> >> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/.
> >> JJG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jen Jack Gieseking, Ph.D.
> >> Postdoctoral Fellow in New Media and Data Visualization Digital and
> >> Computational Studies Initiative, Bowdoin College
> >> jgieseking at gmail.com www.jgieseking.org<http://www.jgieseking.org>
> >> www.spatiallyinclined.org<http://www.spatiallyinclined.org>
> >> @jgieseking <https://twitter.com/jgieseking>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Michael Zimmer <zimmerm at uwm.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Precisely.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Michael Zimmer, PhD
> >>> Assistant Professor, School of Information Studies Director, Center
> >>> for Information Policy Research University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
> >>> e: zimmerm at uwm.edu
> >>> w: www.michaelzimmer.org<http://www.michaelzimmer.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011 at reagle.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/06/2013 10:41 PM, Michael Zimmer wrote:
> >>>>> Whoever wrote this isn't very familiar with publisher copyright
> >>>>> transfer agreements.
> >>>> Some publishers often distinguish between the author's draft and
> >>>> the final peer reviewed and paginated version. That is, posting a
> >>>> draft on your site (or to SSRN, say) is permissible, copying the
> >>>> final version is not. Hence I'm curious as to which these removed
> versions were?
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