[Air-L] Elsevier and academia.edu

Wed Dec 11 19:36:55 PST 2013

Thanks Ben. This expands on my point nicely. It is a rare institution (I
do know of one or two in Australia) who are brave enough to codify the
value of 'non-traditional' publication and reward their staff for engaging
in blogging, tweeting, writing for commentary sites and traditional media,
and otherwise raising the profile of both the individual's work and the
institution itself. But usually nothing will count as much as
highly-ranked journals, not even writing, editing or contributing to books
or presenting at conferences.

Mary-Helen
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On 11/12/13 11:46 AM, "Ben Light" <ben.light at qut.edu.au> wrote:

>The other institutional pressure that come into being here too is the
>whole issue of University rankings.  For example the Times Higher list
>incorporates things like citations from journals into their approach (even
>for the Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences where they aren't as relevant
>as to STEM subjects).  This further feeds into the point Mary-Helen makes
>about why we are 'encouraged' to publish in certain journals. These
>journals are almost exclusively gated.  Where they are not, there are
>hefty fees for making the work open access.
>
>Also, interestingly, in the UK, research councils are starting to give
>money to institutions to pay for making gated material open access…  This
>is because, in the UK, research councils are now, and in my opinion quite
>rightly, requiring that the research they fund is made available open
>access. For how long the paying of fees to gated journals will continue,
>or how sustainable it is, I have no idea.
>
>So,there's a whole politic in here regarding the intertwining of
>commercial interests, open access, University rankings, public/private
>funding of research, job security etc…
>
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>On 11/12/2013 10:25, "Mary-Helen Ward" <mary-helen.ward at sydney.edu.au>
>wrote:
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>>The UK, Australia and NZ (and possibly other countries that I don't know
>>about) don¹t have a 'tenure' system. We have a continuing appointment
>>system, which means you may have a permanent job, subject to certain
>>conditions. A common condition is that you remain 'research active', part
>>of which involves the maintenance of a publication record. This may vary
>>in detail between institutions and countries, but there is always some
>>requirement to publish, and often this has to be in journals of a certain
>>rank.
>>
>>At my institution last year several academics on continuing appointment
>>received letters asking them to explain why their publication record was
>>not up the standard expected, and some were offered redundancies or
>>teaching-only positions as a result of their response.
>>
>>Mary-Helen
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>>Business
>>Sydney eLearning | Office of the DVC Education
>>THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY
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>>On 10/12/13 1:38 AM, "Suely Fragoso" <suely.fragoso at ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi again. Great and enlightening discussion!
>>>
>>>I would like to comment two points:
>>>
>>>First, I'm with Daren - why publish with the big companies after tenure?
>>>I confess I never understood the logic of the US academic environment,
>>>or
>>>even if and why  the same rules and values apply in Europe, Canada,
>>>Asia,
>>>etc. It seems that Latin America is the only exception in a world where
>>>everybody runs the same tenure system (there are reasons to publish with
>>>the big business here as well,  but I will not bore the majority
>>>describing what appears to be a strictly regional set of oddities).
>>>
>>>It seems that everyone aggrees that open access is better in that it
>>>makes our work available to a much larger group of readers. However, it
>>>is not so easy to locate good reliable open access journals that run a
>>>proper and well intentioned peer review system and  that will not
>>>surprise us at the end of the reviewing process by charging a
>>>'publication fee to cover the costs' (I know publishing have costs, I
>>>have been involved in all parts of the process, from scientific editor
>>>to
>>>support in the printing factory. Believe me, the fees are
>>>disproportionate).
>>>I remember having heard of a wiki listing open access journals with
>>>information about their reviewing practices, who is 'behind the
>>>curtains', etc. Does it exist?  If not, I think it is  time we start
>>>one.
>>>
>>>My second point is why we make our work available in Academia.edu. I
>>>would say it is because papers in Academia.edu get higher rankings from
>>>big bad giant Google (I suppose Academia.edu *is* Google. Is it?)
>>>Ranking
>>>higher means that more people get to read our work, as Academia.edu
>>>profits from it but does not charge the reader (or the author). I am not
>>>saying it is good or we can't do better - of course we can. I'm just
>>>trying to locate what is needed to lead our initiatives to success.
>>>
>>>Suely
>>>
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