[Air-L] Elsevier and academia.edu

Mathieu ONeil mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au
Thu Dec 12 17:02:39 PST 2013 

Hi Michael

I suppose the advantage of commercial publishers for funding bodies is that they constitute a legal and stable partner for entering into contractual exchange, as opposed to researcher-run peer reviewed journals like the ones you and I are involved in. This is why I think universities could perhaps act as an honest broker between funding bodies and "green" open access journals (to use the approved term) in order to channel support either in-kind (by employing proofreaders etc) or in cash...?

cheers
Mathieu
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Just to say that funding for Open Access journals is a real issue.



I'm the EiC of the double blind peer reviewed Journal of Community
Informatics <http://ci-journal.net/> .  We are now in our tenth year and
have had roughly 1.1 million discrete article downloads
<http://ci-journal.net/reports/>  since 2006 (when the counter was
restarted).



We have looked at various business/funding models over the years but haven't
come up with anything workable. The actual out-of-pocket expenses are fairly
modest but when you start putting price tags on various of the elements of
the publishing process (outside of those normally provided for free by
academic contributors) such as editing, proof reading and layout the price
tag rises quite steeply to the $40-50K per year range.



A lot of journals that were started in the first flush of open access (and
particularly open access supporting software such as OJS
<http://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/>  on which we operate) are now approaching their
founder/editor burnout period and on-going survival will very much depend on
finding at least some degree of funding/some workable business model.



M



Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics
web:  <http://ci-journal.net> http://ci-journal.net
email: gurstein at gmail.com





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Hi Deborah, all



That's a really good point but it begs the question: how exactly do these
funding bodies define "[providing] funds for the open access publishing of
materials produced from research they fund"? Does this mean setting aside
extra money to pay for so-called "open access" from the likes of Elsevier
(at the tune of $2-3,000 per article...). Or does this mean supporting the
open sourcing of research by new means? If the former (which is much easier:
just set aside this amount) then it is not really addressing the
exploitative nature of the research community / commercial publisher
relationship.



cheers,

Mathieu

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As I'm sure discussants in Australia know, research funding bodies in
Australia have also begun to mandate and provide funds for the open access
publishing of materials produced from research they fund, including the two
major funding bodies. This has begun to change the culture in universities
here concerning open access. My university held at least two forums on open
access publishing this year in the attempt to inform academics about the
ins-and-outs of OA.



Deborah





On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:20 PM, nickjan < <mailto:nickjan at xs4all.nl>
nickjan at xs4all.nl> wrote:



> All:

>

> The Scholarly Kitchen (collective blog for the Society for Scholarly

> Publishing) has just posted an insightful analysis of the Elsevier -

> Academia.edu saga, entitled "The End of an Era for Academia.edu and

> Other Academic Networks?" Available at:

>

>  <http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/12/11/has->
http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/12/11/has-

> elsevier-signaled-a-new-era-for-academia-edu-and-other-

> professional-networks/

>

> As pointed out in the post, many of the comments to a recent article

> in The Chronicle of Higher Education ( <http://chronicle.com/blogs/>
http://chronicle.com/blogs/

> wiredcampus/posting-your-latest-article-you-might-have-

> to-take-it-down/48865) are particularly astute....

>

> Nick Jankowski

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