[Air-L] Google Books lawsuit

Alex Leavitt alexleavitt at gmail.com
Thu Nov 14 20:20:40 PST 2013


That part is here:

*Chin also rejected the theory that Google was depriving authors of income,
noting that the company does not sell the scans or make whole copies of
books available. He concluded, instead, that Google Books served to help
readers discover new books and amounted to “new income from authors.”*

It's also on p. 12 and p. 26 of the ruling (see PDF linked in the above
URL).

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Alexander Leavitt
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Peter Timusk <ptimusk at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Sorry where was the part about artists making more money?
>
> iuniverse made our book of fiction available on google books with out
> asking us the authors.
>
> We make zero dollars from this.
>
> I know I am in a sea of academics who want to be read but some of us also
> want to be paid large fat royalty cheques.
>
> Peter
>
> > From: jdfoote1 at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:44:30 -0500
> > CC: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Google Books lawsuit
> >
> > I think that this is almost unalloyed good news.
> >
> > First, as Alex said, this sets a great precedent for others seeking to
> > digitize and make texts available. There is a ridiculous amount of
> > important work held hostage by copyright.
> >
> > Second, while there is every reason to be wary of trusting Google (or any
> > commercial entity) as the sole owner of this data, let's not ignore the
> > incredible feat of what they have done - they have made millions of books
> > searchable and available, not to mention making much of that data public
> > and usable for others (e.g. https://books.google.com/ngrams). Let's
> > celebrate what is an amazing resource, provided for free, and a court
> > ruling that encourages others to follow suit.
> >
> >
> > Jeremy Foote
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Burns, Christopher S <
> sean.burns at uky.edu>wrote:
> >
> > > This does not just affect one corporation. The ruling, and precedent,
> will
> > > benefit HathiTrust too.
> > >
> > > About HathiTrust: http://www.hathitrust.org/partnership
> > >
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> > > School of Library and Information Science
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> > >
> > > Alex Leavitt <alexleavitt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Just to be clear, my happiness is more driven by the fact that there's
> now
> > > one more point in case law to references for future related issues.
> > >
> > > Alexander Leavitt
> > > PhD Student
> > > USC Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism
> > > http://alexleavitt.com
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Rex Troumbley <rextroumbley at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'll share in the mixed feelings, but add that I too am a bit worried
> > > > about commercializing access under one corporation that is only 15
> years
> > > > old. What happens to these scans when Google goes out of business or
> goes
> > > > bankrupt?
> > > >
> > > > Also, If I understand correctly, part of the reason Google has been
> > > > scanning books is to help develop their semantic search engine and to
> > > help
> > > > Google Translate, both of which require a lot of written language.
> The
> > > scan
> > > > quality of the books is often too low for preservation, but just good
> > > > enough for OCR. I'm an advocate of Free Culture too, but Google isn't
> > > free
> > > > (even if its costs are often hidden) and I can't help wondering
> whether
> > > > letting Google handle the digitization and distribution of books is
> > > really
> > > > the best we can do?
> > > >
> > > > Rex Troumbley, PhD Candidate
> > > > Department of Political Science
> > > > University of Hawaii at Manoa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Dan L. Burk <dburk at uci.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I imagine that after eight years of this, Judge Chin understands
> > > Google's
> > > > > business model(s) very well.
> > > > >
> > > > > The question "do they sell the scans" is a different question than
> "do
> > > > > they make money/expect to make money off the database."
> > > > >
> > > > > DLB
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm somewhat conflicted about this. While I'm generally glad to
> see
> > > > > > fair use expanded, I think the judge misunderstood Google's
> business
> > > > > > model when citing in favor of fair use that Google "does not
> sell the
> > > > > > scans". They clearly wouldn't do it if they were not convinced
> that
> > > > > > making these books searchable is adding to their bottom-line by
> > > > refining
> > > > > > user profiles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Felix
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/14/2013 06:39 PM, Dan L. Burk wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> I am so, so happy about this. Big win for the Free Culture
> > > movement.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I am not sure I would go that far.  You still end up a very
> > > > significant
> > > > > >> body of human knowledge controlled by a not-necessarily-benign
> > > > > >> corporation
> > > > > >> with a tendency toward information monopoly.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But Judge Chin's decision is the right one, and puts us on a
> much
> > > > better
> > > > > >> road than the alternative.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> DLB
> > > > > >>
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