[Air-L] Meme Tracking

David Stodolsky dss at secureid.net
Sat Jun 10 13:39:39 PDT 2017 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic>

In anthropology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology>, folkloristics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkloristics>, and the social <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sciences> and behavioral sciences <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sciences>, emic and etic refer to two kinds of field research <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_research> done and viewpoints obtained:[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic#cite_note-1> emic, from within the social group <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group> (from the perspective of the subject) and etic, from outside (from the perspective of the observer).


> On 10 Jun 2017, at 22:22, Heidi Huntington <huntington.heidi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Internet memes borrow their name from Dawkins' invented term, but really are a quite different thing. 

If so, then using the same term is bad methodology.
I would place it in the same category as “alternative facts”.

New age religion claims to be science.
Unless someone can show that the term is needed, then its use is merely an attempt to propagandize for Dawkin's religion.


dss

> 
> In the 2014 book Memes in Digital Culture, published by MIT Press, Limor Shifman discusses the problematic history of the term and specifically defines Internet memes as a separate phenomenon rooted in participatory media culture. Between Shifman's work and others', there is published scholarship to support the use of the term "meme" to refer to the Internet practice without necessarily subscribing to Dawkins' concept.
> 
> As was mentioned in this thread, those of us who study Internet memes ultimately use the term "memes" because that is the term the people who make them use. 
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2017 1:30 PM, "David Stodolsky" <dss at secureid.net <mailto:dss at secureid.net>> wrote:
> 
> > On 10 Jun 2017, at 21:15, Giorgia Castellano <giorgia.castellano at gmail.com <mailto:giorgia.castellano at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > "As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity.
> > Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science."
> >
> > Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of evolution.
> >
> > so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd> <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>>
> >
> >
> 
> There are no “biology-derived memes” and there are no “memes”.
> The concept is nonsense constructed for ideological reasons from whole cloth by Dawkins.
> Please read the links before you respond, unless you wish to confirm you have no wish to understand the topic of discussion.
> 
> Discussion here is supposed to support science.
> If someone posted they wished to study the effect of angels on Internet posting frequency, few would consider it a valid input.
> When you use the term “meme” unquoted, you are promoting religion, not science.
> 
> 
> dss
> 
> 
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Giorgia Castellano
> > M.A. Hamburg University
> > Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation
> >
> > 2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss at secureid.net <mailto:dss at secureid.net> <mailto:dss at secureid.net <mailto:dss at secureid.net>>>:
> > Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
> >
> > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html>>
> >
> > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html>>
> >
> > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html>>
> >
> > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html>>
> >
> >
> > Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview in Women's Own in 1987
> > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes> <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes>>
> >
> > “Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his depth in social science.
> > He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it comes to genes.
> >
> >
> > As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity.
> > Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long history of study in social science.
> >
> >
> > dss
> >
> > > On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283 at gmail.com <mailto:xtc283 at gmail.com> <mailto:xtc283 at gmail.com <mailto:xtc283 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/> <https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/>>) opened up a thread
> > > exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and
> > > forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are
> > > basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer of the
> > > discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link below was
> > > his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the so-called
> > > 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
> > >
> > > D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
> > > <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
> > >
> > >
> > > D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <tanis.grandison at me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison at me.com> <mailto:tanis.grandison at me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison at me.com>>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful reading ) on
> > >> tracking Memes.
> > >> Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme and look
> > >> at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
> > >>
> > >> I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at significant
> > >> events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed through
> > >> social media.
> > >>
> > >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Tanis Grandison
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> > David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
> > Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark
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> David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
> Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark
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David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
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