[Air-L] Data privacy via the WTO?
Livingstone,S
S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk
Wed Aug 29 01:44:01 PDT 2018
Really interesting discussion, all, and thanks. If I may just add that one in three internet users worldwide is a child, and it's important to include children in the research and in the regulatory discussion (as Amanda Third and I argued here http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/68759/ )
I recently wrote about children's data and digital literacy in relation to the GDPR in case that's of interest
http://www.iicom.org/intermedia/intermedia-july-2018/children-a-special-case-for-privacy
and will continue to research this topic
http://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communications/research/research-projects/childprivacyonline
all the best, Sonia
Professor Sonia Livingstone, DPhil, FBA, FAcSS, FBPS, FRSA, OBE
Dept. of Media and Communications, London School of Economics and Political Science
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From: Air-L [mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Deborah Lupton
Sent: 27 August 2018 23:18
To: Alicia BR <alicialorna at gmail.com>
Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
Subject: Re: [Air-L] Data privacy via the WTO?
I am finding very similar attitudes and practices here in Australia, even soon after the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Most Australians have not yet been directly adversely affected by secondary use of their personal data in material ways, at least to their knowledge. They are not very concerned about it, therefore.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:44 AM, Alicia BR <alicialorna at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for sharing your projects Deborah and Jennifer. I am just
> writing up a research consultancy where we interviewed youth/parents
> and teachers in 5 EU countries about current and emerging changes in
> technology. The overall sense in terms of questions about data
> protection is that some people are paying more attention since
> Cambridge Analytica (at least those who come to focus groups, which is
> obviously not necessarily representative!), although the language of
> ‘data’ and ‘privacy’ seems very unevenly spread. Moreover, even people
> who are aware of data collection seem more or less OK with it as long
> as it is ‘useful’ (e.g. advertising to them services they want, as
> opposed to something their spouse looked for or unrelated content). A
> few people found it ‘creepy’ but not to the extent that they cared
> that much about it or would stop using services because of it.
>
> This is only a small project and not something we can draw big
> conclusions from but is interesting.
>
> Ultimately, for the moment I don’t think there is a clear conversation
> about/rationale for *why* people should care about data
> collection/data privacy. Yes there is a movement to make this more of
> a focus of legislation but even I, as a media researcher, remain a
> little woolly as to what the consequences at the individual level are
> for my data being collected - let alone from a collective/equity
> perspective. Until the consequences are made more transparent to
> people I think any demand for changing data collection practices will
> have to come from researchers/advocates/government rather than
> expecting that it will come from ‘the public.’
>
> Alicia
>
> Dr Alicia Blum-Ross
> www.parenting.digital
> <http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/parenting4digitalfuture/>
> www.makeyproject.eu <http://makeyproject.eu/> @aliciablumross
> <https://twitter.com/aliciablumross?lang=en>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 4:50 AM, Deborah Lupton <deborah.lupton at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting to see what you are doing, Jennifer. I have two current
> projects on people's understandings and responses to personal data on
> the go at the moment, both of which will contribute to my
> book-in-progress, provisionally titled 'Data Selves' (to be published
> by Polity), which will also involve quite a lot of social theory,
> building on my recent article in Big Data & Society.
>
> The first project, 'Data Personas', asks people to respond to the
> concept of 'data persona', including imagining how much this persona
> is similar to or different from them, and how it will change in the
> future. The second project, "Personal Data Feelings', involves the
> story completion method, using four different story 'stubs' involving personal data privacy issues.
> There's some really interesting insights coming out of both ...
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Pybus, Jennifer via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> This is a really important thread. We have been researching public
> awareness of mobile data generation since 2013 and have found a range
> of awareness levels. But to generalise, people still seem to favour
> convenience, despite the spike in awareness from FB, Cambridge
> Analytics, etc. We developed tools like the Mobile Miner app, for
> ethically harvesting mobile data for research and collective use. I am
> leading a new AHRC project that will further develop those tools for
> greater public impact and access. We will be working with the Tactical
> Tech Collective on our ‘Hacking the Mobile Ecosystem’ tools/workshop
> suite. This allows people to drag mobile applications onto their
> laptops for closer examination, allowing them to decompile or break
> open apps and to inspect their technical elements. Relevant to this
> thread, we’ve used this to examine personal data flows, for example
> regarding what kind of data the app is accessing, how often, and with
> whom it is shared. We will be launching a website soon and tools will
> be available for all interesting in cultivating creative and critical
> understanding of the personal data economy. Watch this space.
>
> Best,
>
> Dr. Jennifer Pybus
> Programme Convenor, BA Digital Culture Lecturer in Digital Culture and
> Society King’s College London Department of Digital Humanities Strand,
> Room 3.22 London, WC2R 2LS
>
>
> On 26 Aug 2018, at 6:39 pm, Amanda M L Taylor <AMLTaylor at uclan.ac.uk
> <mailto:AMLTaylor at uclan.ac.uk <AMLTaylor at uclan.ac.uk>>> wrote:
>
> Can I just add... does anyone think people in general have moved past
> the convenience over conscious phase of new technological change? My
> experience tells me on the whole that most people haven’t really
> thought about any of this - hence why data trading has made the oil
> type status in terms of value.
>
> Amanda
>
> On 26 Aug 2018, at 18:28, Livingstone,S <S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> Hi and yes, I realise that. If I know who has my data I now have the
> right to ask them about it. My query was more how a user is to know
> which service provider to ask? Who, in short, will help me establish
> the existence of files in the first place? Given the global trade in
> data and a host of intermediaries, data brokers, etc.
>
> It seems to me that the user now needs to understand not just the apps
> on their phone but the entire data economy, if they are to exercise
> their rights....
>
>
>
>
> From: Ansgar Koene [mailto:Ansgar.Koene at nottingham.ac.uk
> <Ansgar.Koene at nottingham.ac.uk>]
> Sent: 26 August 2018 16:31
> To: Livingstone,S
> <S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk<mailto:S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk
> <S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk>>>;
> Aram Sinnreich <aram at american.edu<mailto:aram at american.edu
> <aram at american.edu>>>;
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>> <
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> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Data privacy via the WTO?
>
>
> Hi Sonia,
>
> in order for a country to be compliant with Convention 108 it must
> pass national laws that, as a minimum, enact the rights and
> obligations stated in the convention. In the case of the EU, Article 8
> of Convention 108 is included in GDPR via the right to ask service
> providers what data they hold about you.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ansgar
>
>
> Dr. Ansgar Koene
> Senior Research Fellow: UnBias, CaSMa & Horizon Policy Impact Horizon
> Digital Economy Research Institute University of Nottingham Working
> group chair for IEEE Standard on Algorithm Bias Considerations
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> From: Livingstone,S <S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk<mailto:
> S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk><mailto:S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk>>
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 8:02:07 PM
> To: Ansgar Koene; Aram Sinnreich; air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:
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> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Data privacy via the WTO?
>
> Thanks for this discussion
>
> This is interesting:
>
>
> Article 8 - Additional safeguards for the data subject
>
> Any person shall be enabled:
>
> ato establish the existence of an automated personal data file, its
> main purposes, as well as the identity and habitual residence or
> principal place of business of the controller of the file;
>
> How do we imagine users can figure out which data brokers and
> harvesters have their personal data and will the data protection
> authority really help them if they don't know where to start looking?
>
> Best, Sonia
>
>
> From: "air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l-bounces@
> listserv.aoir.org><mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org>" <
> air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org
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> <mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org>> on behalf of Ansgar Koene <
>
> Ansgar.Koene at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Ansgar.Koene at nottingham.ac.uk
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> <mailto:Ansgar.Koene at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>
> Date: Saturday, 25 August 2018 at 13:43
> To: Aram Sinnreich <aram at american.edu<mailto:aram at american.edu><mailto:
> aram at american.edu>>, "air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org><mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org>" <
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> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Data privacy via the WTO?
>
> Dear Aram,
>
> I read your policy brief with interest and I think most people will be
> able to agree with your analysis that an international approach to
> data privacy is necessary. I do however have my concerns regarding the
> WTO as appropriate body for administering this.
>
> As its name suggests, the WTO is tasked with dealing with questions
> regarding trade. Assigning data privacy as being mandated by WTO
> pre-supposes a trade based interpretation of data privacy akin to
> discussions around ownership of personal data or "data as the new oil" etc.
> When contrasting the US and EU approaches to data privacy, personal
> data as a trade good is considered as a US perspective. The EU
> approach at the basis of the GDPR is to consider data privacy from a
> human rights perspective. This distinction has a lot of consequences,
> one of which would be a discomfort with having the WTO as
> administrating organization for international privacy regulation.
>
> Connected to this are concerns that trade negotiations, including
> those at the WTO, are considered to be lacking in transparency.
>
>
> When considering international efforts to establish common minimum
> requirements around data privacy it would be important to also
> consider the efforts of the Council of Europe, which recently updated
> Convention 108 (Convention for the Protection of Individuals with
> regard to Automatic Processing of Personal Data https://emea01.safelinks.
> protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.coe.int%
> 2Fen%2Fweb%2Fconventions%2Ffull-list%2F-%2Fconventions%
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>
> Karolina Mojzesowicz from the European Commission stated that
> "Convention [108] was the source, the mother of the European EU data protection rules"
> and that it "was and will remain the key compass in the European and
> global privacy legal landscape"
>
> Out of the 110 countries in the world with data protection laws (in
> June
> 2016) nearly half are already members of Convention 108.
>
>
> Note that the Council of Europe [https://emea01.safelinks.
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> 2Fen%2Fweb%2Fportal%2Fhome%2F&data=01%7C01%7Cjennifer.
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> 47 member states, including the 28 EU states bus also Russian
> Federation, Turkey and others.
>
> As of October 1st 2018 Convention 108 will be in force not only in the
> 47 countries of the Council of Europe but also in Cabo Verde,
> Mauritius, Mexico, Senegal, Tunisia and Uruguay.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ansgar
>
>
> Dr. Ansgar Koene
> Senior Research Fellow: UnBias, CaSMa & Horizon Policy Impact Horizon
> Digital Economy Research Institute University of Nottingham Working
> group chair for IEEE Standard on Algorithm Bias Considerations
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> listserv.aoir.org><mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org>> on behalf
> of Aram Sinnreich
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> Subject: [Air-L] Data privacy via the WTO?
>
> Fellow AoIRers,
>
> Last week, I published this short policy brief arguing that post-GDPR,
> data privacy should be administered via an international treaty
> organization, specifically the WTO.
>
> This is a very preliminary sketch, but I'd be curious to hear feedback
> from other people interested in data privacy regulation before I build
> on it. Let me know your thoughts!
>
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> Thanks!
>
> -
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