[Air-L] R: Inquiry on screen shots
Light Ben
B.Light at salford.ac.uk
Thu Feb 28 14:30:21 PST 2019
I agree with Jean. I have to be honest, I delete a chunk of list serv stuff due to being busy, but every now and then something catches my eye - like this and I engage. I also read a lot and don't engage. I've been reading the ethics stuff viz screenshots for example but not felt the need to post (so unmanly). I like the discussion aspect of the list here. Maybe I'm old fashioned. But without the discussion, it becomes just a space we post in without engagement, and I’m not so much interested in that. I like when we raise issues and chat about them. I can easily delete stuff I don't mind wading through discussion threads if I am interested. I delete what I am not bothered about (sorry folks!). For me the list is a touch point, to keep connected with a community in the midst of (in my job) management, in another context I could imagine (a heavy teaching load in a school where research and educational enquiry isn't valued. Different channels for different folks I say. There I just said what Jean said, but used more words and space, because I'm a chatterbox - and likely coz I'm a man. Sorry folks/jean for manspreading virtually - but I hope this helps.
On 28/02/2019, 22:18, "Air-L on behalf of Jean Burgess" <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org on behalf of je.burgess at qut.edu.au> wrote:
I think people can probably choose for themselves whether they want to use the listserv for one of its intended purposes (discussion), or migrate to a new proprietary platform, or both.
On 1/3/19, 12:53 am, "Air-L on behalf of Giancarlo M. Sandoval" <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org on behalf of gsmicro.nics at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
Seconding Ilir's suggestion for chatting in the discourse group. It's
getting a bit unwieldy!
(Fully aware I'm contributing to this by sending an email but thought I'd
add support)
Cheers.
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, 14:50 Ilir Rama, <pirorama at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> Please consider using the AOIR workgroup Discord group to discuss more
> comfortably, it would fit the conversation better - and it would definitely
> be easier to follow!
> If you think it could suit the conversation, an "ethics" discussion group
> / text channel can be found here: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscord.gg%2FDVXDYBf&data=02%7C01%7Cb.light%40salford.ac.uk%7C194fee14306a4297519808d69dcaa4a8%7C65b52940f4b641bd833d3033ecbcf6e1%7C0%7C0%7C636869891013801209&sdata=iBXkEwLYRbdbbX7zu5tjGqvm3gcNhuxQlgVBg4LcbpI%3D&reserved=0
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> Thank you for the consideration, we are waiting for you there!
>
> All the best,
> Ilir
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> Da: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> per conto di Livingstone,S <
> S.Livingstone at lse.ac.uk>
> Inviato: giovedì 28 febbraio 2019 11:56
> A: Isabel Galvis; Chris Leslie; Alex Gekker
> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Oggetto: Re: [Air-L] Inquiry on screen shots
>
> Dear all
>
> Please note that, generally, the author of an image of revenge porn is an
> abuser of the victim portrayed therein!
>
> Best, Sonia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Air-L [mailto:air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Isabel
> Galvis
> Sent: 28 February 2019 10:29
> To: Chris Leslie <chrisleslienyc at hotmail.com>; Alex Gekker <
> gekker.alex at gmail.com>
> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Inquiry on screen shots
> Importance: High
>
> Also, worst case scenario you could do a new ethics application and get
> consent from the authors of the images to use them.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> ISABEL GALVIS, M.A.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> On Behalf Of Chris Leslie
> Sent: 28 February 2019 08:05
> To: Alex Gekker <gekker.alex at gmail.com>
> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Inquiry on screen shots
>
> Dear Alex Gekker,
>
> I think you are making an effort to be clever, humorous, or provocative.
> However, I don’t think the ethical question posed by the original query
> goes away because it relates to something we do every day (or that the
> human subject are doing among themselves). I also think the difference you
> suggest about private messages and public posts is worth thinking about
> more.
>
> For instance, what if I published an academic article about the attitudes
> of Internet researchers and quote your email as an example that reflects x
> number of posts on the AOIR listserv? Depending on my thesis, you could
> rightly be offended and potentially harmed by my article, even if
> forwarding the email chain to your grad students or summarizing the
> discussion for their benefit might have seemed ok. In the journal article,
> I am using your statement as a research finding - a generalization of a
> human trend I have observed that is backed up by quantitative data. Yet in
> sending your email to the group, you didn’t consent to being a human
> subject and you were not given the opportunity to give permission
> afterward. Even if I changed your name and rearranged the words, you could
> still feel like you were identifiable to members of AOIR who witnessed the
> conversation.
>
> I interact publicly with humans in everyday life - asking people their
> opinions about politics or their jobs, for example - in ways that are
> ethical in interpersonal or educational settings. Those activities don’t
> involve the IRB or raise ethical concerns because they are not the
> foundation for research findings. Everything changes when I publish an
> article with my name and academic affiliation and the implied endorsement
> of the academic journal. So, to me, the dilemma you pose doesn’t seem to
> reflect the need for IRB clearance in the first place.
>
> Chris
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