[Air-L] cheating students?

Mon Feb 3 08:39:00 PST 2020

I agree, we need to focus on why 'cheating' is occurring. In the UK at least, with high fees, chronic instability in the grad job market, the chasing of high grades affects many students. There's an explicit encouragement of students to become 'entrepreneurial' and maximize their opportunities, whilst accumulating huge debts to pay (over the odds) for degrees that are socio-economically worth less and less. Aren't they following a neo-liberal logic of 'out-sourcing' their work?

Sure, we can get stuck into the morality of cheating, but that obscures what's at stake in our current - broken - education system.

regards
Sanjay

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 18:48:28 +0000
From: Jacob Johanssen <johanssenjacob at gmail.com>
To: Richard Forno <rforno at infowarrior.org>
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We should be focussing on the reasons behind / causes of such developments
rather than only the developments themselves, or on just blaming the
students, in my view.

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 17:19 Richard Forno <rforno at infowarrior.org> wrote:

>
> Sadly, yes.
>
> We've had cases where CS students 'outsourced' their coding assignments to
> code farms in Siberia or Eastern Europe.  One time the assignment
> deliverable a CS student got from such a service was based on sample
> material from their professor's own website -- it even had her (oddly
> non-attributed) comments still showing up in the code, which was a dead
> giveaway!   We all had a good/sad chuckle at that level of fail.   But
> thankfully there are decent commercial and free tools to detect or make it
> harder to use stolen/shared/plagarised code, and depending on the class
> there's ways to minimize the potential -- such as mandating version
> controls during the semester.
>
> On written assignments, I'm certain I've been the attempted mark in such
> things now and then, but I'm also pretty good at discovering it.  To wit:
> years ago, one of my American grad students submitted a capstone paper that
> not only used UK English, but was written a bit .... oddly in places.  (Not
> uncommon, but I noticed it, which isn't a good sign).  I recall one
> sentence read something like "the US natural gas pipeline scheme...."
>  ("scheme"?) and I was thinking, that's odd.   The next page I saw
> reference to "personal computing schemes...." and my radar went off and I
> went explorin'. Sure enough, the entire paper was ganked from 5 sources
> (with fabricated citations no less) and apparently run thru a
> regionally-incorrect spellchecker/thesarus before submission.   The more
> amusing part?  3 of the sources I'd used years ago in my own PhD work, and
> I professionally *knew* the authors in question.  Suffice it to say the
> plagarism meeting I had with the student was more than a slam-dun
>  k.    And using UK English? Given that my PhD is from Australia, *I*'m
> the only one in the class who has any excuse to occasionally 'misspell'
> words that way -- admittedly, ten years on, I still experience bouts of
> that collateral damage.  :)
>
> Bottom line, we'll see more of this over time, I'm sure. There's even talk
> of AI/ML systems 'writing' news articles, so how long before that also
> becomes part of the things we have to look out for when grading papers in
> the classroom?
>
> -- rick
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 2020, at 09:22, Patricia Aufderheide <paufder at american.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that this has happened to you?
> >
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> > [
> https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/open_graph/public/images/2020/01/2018-09-22t014944z_1542085430_rc14e23620e0_rtrmadp_3_usa-university-unc.jpg?itok=2t3hXmMZ
> ]<
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> > Kenya is a hotbed in the $1 billion global contract cheating industry -
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> 25-year-old science researcher, was just getting ready for ...
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 16:44:41 -0300
From: Cristian Berrio Zapata <cristian.berrio at gmail.com>
To: Patricia Aufderheide <paufder at american.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Air-L] cheating students?
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This is a complex problem driven by the need of good students, and the
lack of morality of bad students. Mainly in systems were is not talent but
money that gets you into university, this is extensive. In Colombia, sites
like "Rincon del Vago" https://www.rincondelvago.com/ have made an industry
of cheating. Many teachers when they were studying, due to need of money,
did this to pay tuition fees. Students at schools do it to earn some money.
It is a giant black market in Latin America!

El dom., 2 de feb. de 2020 a la(s) 11:22, Patricia Aufderheide (
paufder at american.edu) escribi?:

> does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that this has happened to you?
>
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> [
> https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/open_graph/public/images/2020/01/2018-09-22t014944z_1542085430_rc14e23620e0_rtrmadp_3_usa-university-unc.jpg?itok=2t3hXmMZ
> ]<
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> >
> Kenya is a hotbed in the $1 billion global contract cheating industry -
> pri.org<
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> >
> It was 5 p.m. on a Thursday in Nairobi, Kenya, and the streets were
> crowded with people rushing to get home for dinner. But Philemon, a
> 25-year-old science researcher, was just getting ready for ...
> www.pri.org<http://www.pri.org>
>
>
>
> Patricia Aufderheide, University Professor, School of Communication
> PhD Program Director
> Founder, Center for Media & Social Impact
> American University
> 4400 Massachusetts Av., NW
> American University, Washington, DC 20016-8017
> McKinley Hall 323
> @paufder @cmsimpact
> cmsimpact.org<http://cmsimpact.org>
> paufder at american.edu<mailto:paufder at american.edu>
> 202-885-2069 office
> 240-643-4805 mobile
>
> Reclaiming Fair Use--t<
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/022637419X?pf_rd_p=d1f45e03-8b73-4c9a-9beb-4819111bef9a&pf_rd_r=9A4S3CXHCD8R7GBY3C8P>he
> second edition is out, with new stories, quizzes and entirely new chapters
> on the surprising success of fair use in enabling creativity!
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 20:19:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: kalule peter peter <peterokalule at yahoo.com>
To: Patricia Aufderheide <paufder at american.edu>,  Cristian Berrio
        Zapata <cristian.berrio at gmail.com>
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 abolish value, abolish grades and leave students alone?
    On Sunday, 2 February 2020, 22:45:32 GMT+3, Cristian Berrio Zapata <cristian.berrio at gmail.com> wrote:

 This is a complex problem driven by the need of good students, and the
lack of morality of bad students. Mainly in systems were is not talent but
money that gets you into university, this is extensive. In Colombia, sites
like "Rincon del Vago" https://www.rincondelvago.com/ have made an industry
of cheating. Many teachers when they were studying, due to need of money,
did this to pay tuition fees. Students at schools do it to earn some money.
It is a giant black market in Latin America!

El dom., 2 de feb. de 2020 a la(s) 11:22, Patricia Aufderheide (
paufder at american.edu) escribi?:

> does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that this has happened to you?
>
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> [
> https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/open_graph/public/images/2020/01/2018-09-22t014944z_1542085430_rc14e23620e0_rtrmadp_3_usa-university-unc.jpg?itok=2t3hXmMZ
> ]<
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> >
> Kenya is a hotbed in the $1 billion global contract cheating industry -
> pri.org<
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> >
> It was 5 p.m. on a Thursday in Nairobi, Kenya, and the streets were
> crowded with people rushing to get home for dinner. But Philemon, a
> 25-year-old science researcher, was just getting ready for ...
> www.pri.org<http://www.pri.org>
>
>
>
> Patricia Aufderheide, University Professor, School of Communication
> PhD Program Director
> Founder, Center for Media & Social Impact
> American University
> 4400 Massachusetts Av., NW
> American University, Washington, DC 20016-8017
> McKinley Hall 323
> @paufder @cmsimpact
> cmsimpact.org<http://cmsimpact.org>
> paufder at american.edu<mailto:paufder at american.edu>
> 202-885-2069 office
> 240-643-4805 mobile
>
> Reclaiming Fair Use--t<
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/022637419X?pf_rd_p=d1f45e03-8b73-4c9a-9beb-4819111bef9a&pf_rd_r=9A4S3CXHCD8R7GBY3C8P>he
> second edition is out, with new stories, quizzes and entirely new chapters
> on the surprising success of fair use in enabling creativity!
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 12:33:16 -0800
From: Kim Clark <kmclark at ucsd.edu>
To: kalule peter peter <peterokalule at yahoo.com>
Cc: Cristian Berrio Zapata <cristian.berrio at gmail.com>, Patricia
        Aufderheide <paufder at american.edu>, "UFVALIST-L at LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU"
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Loving this generative discussion

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 12:19 PM kalule peter peter via Air-L <
air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:

>  abolish value, abolish grades and leave students alone
>     On Sunday, 2 February 2020, 22:45:32 GMT+3, Cristian Berrio Zapata <
> cristian.berrio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  This is a complex problem driven by the need of good students, and the
> lack of morality of bad students. Mainly in systems were is not talent but
> money that gets you into university, this is extensive. In Colombia, sites
> like "Rincon del Vago" https://www.rincondelvago.com/ have made an
> industry
> of cheating. Many teachers when they were studying, due to need of money,
> did this to pay tuition fees. Students at schools do it to earn some money.
> It is a giant black market in Latin America!
>
> El dom., 2 de feb. de 2020 a la(s) 11:22, Patricia Aufderheide (
> paufder at american.edu) escribi?:
>
> > does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that this has happened to you?
> >
> >
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> > [
> >
> https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/open_graph/public/images/2020/01/2018-09-22t014944z_1542085430_rc14e23620e0_rtrmadp_3_usa-university-unc.jpg?itok=2t3hXmMZ
> > ]<
> >
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> > >
> > Kenya is a hotbed in the $1 billion global contract cheating industry -
> > pri.org<
> >
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-01-24/doing-western-students-homework-big-business-kenya
> > >
> > It was 5 p.m. on a Thursday in Nairobi, Kenya, and the streets were
> > crowded with people rushing to get home for dinner. But Philemon, a
> > 25-year-old science researcher, was just getting ready for ...
> > www.pri.org<http://www.pri.org>
> >
> >
> >
> > Patricia Aufderheide, University Professor, School of Communication
> > PhD Program Director
> > Founder, Center for Media & Social Impact
> > American University
> > 4400 Massachusetts Av., NW
> > American University, Washington, DC 20016-8017
> > McKinley Hall 323
> > @paufder @cmsimpact
> > cmsimpact.org<http://cmsimpact.org>
> > paufder at american.edu<mailto:paufder at american.edu>
> > 202-885-2069 office
> > 240-643-4805 mobile
> >
> > Reclaiming Fair Use--t<
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/022637419X?pf_rd_p=d1f45e03-8b73-4c9a-9beb-4819111bef9a&pf_rd_r=9A4S3CXHCD8R7GBY3C8P
> >he
> > second edition is out, with new stories, quizzes and entirely new
> chapters
> > on the surprising success of fair use in enabling creativity!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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