[Air-L] Migration to Mastodon

Robert W Gehl lists at robertwgehl.org
Thu Nov 10 04:28:42 PST 2022


Antiracism is definitely a concern of mine. I have not invested much 
time in Twitter, so I will set the white flight discussion aside here. 
But I am keenly attending to antiracism on the fediverse.

And frankly, the track record of antiracism on the fediverse is wanting.

In the history of the fediverse, there have been notable Black-run 
instances that have been harassed off the network. I'm sure many AOIR 
folks have read Dunbar-Hester's work on diversity advocacy in free and 
open source software (FOSS), particularly how FOSS projects often 
self-select a bunch of people who (frankly) look like me. Similar 
dynamics are playing out on the fediverse.

All that said, as I have also noted elsewhere, the fediverse has been 
largely successful in marginalizing white supremacist instances. Racist 
conspiracy theories gain far less traction there then on the corporate 
systems. And there are key fediverse members, including BIPOC members, 
with long memories and deep skills who are building antiracist instances 
as I write. In fact, I'd recommend anyone with a spare few dollars a 
month to support Are0h's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Are0h. (I can 
also point folks to a bunch of BIPOC, women, and trans developers and 
artists who you could support financially -- I'm centering Are0h here 
because he's specifically considering running an instance and the fedi 
needs what he would bring).

Radical social justice in this space is a long way off. I'm personally 
more optimistic for antiracism on the fediverse than I am on Twitter, 
but that's been a longstanding hope of mine (and, very likely, such hope 
has affected my own analysis of the fediverse). Time will tell.

Moreover, all of these lessons need to be part of an AOIR instance if we 
choose to run one. One lesson is a good Code of Conduct. Another is to 
ensure we have moderators from around the world who won't put up with 
white supremacy in even its most innocuous-seeming forms.

- Rob

On 11/10/22 06:42, Stephanie Jo “Learning Resiliency” Kent via Air-L wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> On the issue of trust, Cory Doctorow just posted a long Twitter thread/blog post about Certificates of Authenticity. It reads like a Nacirema ritual.
>
> Speaking of trust, is antiracism not an open topic of conversation on this list serve? I received a couple of private responses to a link about the Twitter migration to mastodon being perhaps an indicator of white fragility. I don’t know the norms for when one goes private versus public but the public silence in light of a couple of private responses was noticeable!
>
> For any of you interested here’s another tweet thread with links to a couple of perspectives from “beyond white, left-leaning accounts” — https://twitter.com/sahdyadarr/status/1590266072627699713?s=46&t=JG_6hvzhr-wyhKV_0O_4Mw
>
> respectfully,
> steph
>
>> On Nov 10, 2022, at 5:58 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>> Hi, Emma --
>>
>> One of the major critiques of the development of ActivityPub (the protocol underlying Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, etc) is that the developers did not pay enough attention to security and privacy questions. Those concerns were bracketed off. For example, in terms of connections between servers, the developers assumed that other projects, like SSL, would solve any security issues. Encryption in general was bracketed off as out of scope for the ActivityPub project. (To be fair, they had a lot on their plates).
>>
>> So, as a result, there are some definite privacy issues. DMs between two members are not end-to-end encrypted. An instance admin has a great deal of insight into the network, from member profiles to who is talking to whom.
>>
>> There are people working on solutions to these problems. Indeed, one of the key developers, Christine Lemmer-Webber, recognized the problem of encrypting DMs back in 2017: https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/225 and has proposed some solutions in the time since.
>>
>> But currently, DMs are not encrypted.
>>
>> The key issue, as always, is trust. Admins have to foster trust among their members by being good actors. But we also know from hard experience that admins can break trust. So, Emma, your questions are BIG ones and need to be pressed.
>>
>> Note that much of what I am saying is true of the corporate model, however. Twitter doesn't encrypt DMs. Yes, FB might have end-to-end encryption -- but of course, you have to trust that they haven't been compelled by a powerful state to have a backdoor. (And this is a company that holds a patent on an automated system to turn user data over to law enforcement).
>>
>> - Rob
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/22 21:13, Dr. Emma Briant via Air-L wrote:
>>> I’ll be honest, I’m a little worried about the privacy and security issue
>>> of using these services. I did see Wolfie Christl (who I trust) share two
>>> such sites and say he trusts the people behind them (
>>> https://mastodon.social/@wchr/109299350293033545), but he also doesn’t seem
>>> to have used them himself as his Mastodon follower count doesn’t seem high
>>> like his Twitter. May I ask the community here whether anyone has concerns?
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Emma
>>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 16:07, Sarah Ann Oates via Air-L <
>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This app to help migrate from Twitter to Mastodon was recommended by a
>>>> colleague today; I have yet to try it but looks promising:
>>>> https://pruvisto.org/debirdify/
>>>> Sarah
>>>> Sarah Oates
>>>> Pronoun: she/her
>>>> Professor and Senior Scholar
>>>> Philip Merrill College of Journalism
>>>> Distinguished Scholar-Teacher
>>>> University of Maryland
>>>> College Park, MD 20742
>>>> Email: soates at umd.edu
>>>> Phone: 301 455 2332
>>>> www.media-politics.com
>>>> Twitter: @media_politics
>>>> *Support the UMD Student Crisis Fund
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>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 10:22 AM Steph Kent via Air-L <
>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Following the Twitter|Mastodon threads with critical interest. I
>>>> appreciate
>>>>> the invitation from Michael Ruigrok to  members of this group to bring
>>>> your
>>>>> sophisticated knowledge and experience to the improvement of federated,
>>>>> communal social networks. I'm always interested in access, thinking about
>>>>> outlier groups such as the Deaf, for whom text is frequently not a
>>>>> sufficient accommodation (despite the convenience of this belief for
>>>>> h/Hearing people). *That said, Deaf academics on Twitter are formidable!
>>>>> I'm glad of the resources from Meryl, Joly and Fred Fuchs too, as I'm at
>>>>> the edge of my learning curve learning how to navigate Mastodon.
>>>>> Wanted to share this political, antiracist perspective from Tim Wise, who
>>>>> argues that it's mainly white liberals who are concerned with 'fleeing'
>>>> the
>>>>> new Twitter
>>>>> <
>>>> https://timjwise.medium.com/fleeing-twitter-the-twexodus-is-about-white-liberal-fragility-3631cb2ac317
>>>>>> ,
>>>>> suggesting this is evidence of the pervasiveness of white fragility --
>>>> even
>>>>> among progressives.
>>>>> best regards,
>>>>> steph
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:30 AM Fred Fuchs via Air-L <
>>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Here's a TechRadar article on Mastodon.
>>>> https://www.techradar.com/news/mastodon-is-a-great-twitter-alternative-but-it-needs-to-be-easier-to-sign-up
>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Fred Fuchs - Founder, CEO, & Producer
>>>>>> FireSabre Consulting LLC
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> On 11/7/2022 8:26 AM, Fred Fuchs wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/7/2022 6:51 AM, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a hard time *relying* on a communications platform
>>>>>>>> run by a company now fully engaged in the proverbial
>>>>>>>> "move fast, break things" mentality based on whatever
>>>>>>>> singular whims or rage cycle its owner is in at the time
>>>>>>>> a decision is made.   To wit:  They are now asking people
>>>>>>>> just fired to come back, b/c nobody knew they were
>>>>>>>> integral to the features Musk wanted to develop.  (Were
>>>>>>>> it me, I'd say sure, but double my salary.)
>>>>>>> Sadly this is not uncommon during "regime changes" at
>>>>>>> Internet tech companies. The new leadership fires far more
>>>>>>> people than they should've, and then often has to hire
>>>>>>> some or even many back at a significant salary increase.
>>>>>>> On top of that, some of those with good employment
>>>>>>> prospects may decide to seek better opportunities. So
>>>>>>> their possibly irreplaceable tech and business practices
>>>>>>> knowledge is lost forever.
>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> On 11/7/2022 6:51 AM, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's not Musk's views per se that's driven me from
>>>>>>>> Twitter, but that's a major reason, sure.
>>>>>>>> I have a hard time *relying* on a communications platform
>>>>>>>> run by a company now fully engaged in the proverbial
>>>>>>>> "move fast, break things" mentality based on whatever
>>>>>>>> singular whims or rage cycle its owner is in at the time
>>>>>>>> a decision is made.   To wit:  They are now asking people
>>>>>>>> just fired to come back, b/c nobody knew they were
>>>>>>>> integral to the features Musk wanted to develop. (Were it
>>>>>>>> me, I'd say sure, but double my salary.)   He's also
>>>>>>>> reversed other polices and views that he preached -- he
>>>>>>>> was against permabans until Kathy Gifford parodied him
>>>>>>>> over the weekend, so she's banned.  He's also said other
>>>>>>>> people not 'clearly identifying' as parody accounts would
>>>>>>>> be perma-banned. That's a far cry from his views about
>>>>>>>> how the company handled other perma-bans in recent
>>>>>>>> years.  The entire company -- and platform -- now feels
>>>>>>>> rather unstable in many ways, and I feel sorry for the
>>>>>>>> many serfs still there who will endure such chaos ....
>>>>>>>> and it's only been a week!
>>>>>>>> Heck, if I wanted to interact on a platform conducting a
>>>>>>>> perpetual beta test[1], I'd use something from Google.
>>>>>>>> -- rick
>>>>>>>> [1] either technical or managerial
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