[Air-L] Please get your facts right

Thu Nov 17 16:57:23 PST 2022

Hi Everyone,

As one of the administrators for this list, can I please ask that this
thread end.

While AoIR allows for robust discussion, I think everyone's position is
clear and can't see anything else productive coming from further discussion
which has drifted a long way from the original topic(s).

Thanks for your cooperation.

-Tama Leaver,
AoIR President.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 8:14 AM Gullen, Christopher T. via Air-L <
air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:

> Rod, I do not think you are a racist. I do, however,  think that you're an
> obtuse asshole.
>
> To make your commment to Steph who works at Arkansas and then publicly
> state that you're confused as to why her and other folks would be offended?
>
> Do you only think that quality scholars work at institutions in the north?
> I work in Massachusetts which, until earlier this month, had a Republican
> Governor, yes a liberal Republican but a Republican nonetheless who had
> very questionable attitudes toward public higher education.
>
> Get off your damn soapbox.  And yes, this was an ad hominem attack. Deal
> with it.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Natalie Rock
> via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:36:23 AM
> To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Please get your facts right
>
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> So.. a Comms scholar used the First Amendment guarantee to free speech to
> stop fellow academics on a… *checks notes*… COMMUNICATIONS listserv from
> freely discussing academic issues?
>
> That same scholar then boasted that the listserv is now restricted to job
> opportunities but then came onto another listserv to critique someone
> sharing a job opportunity?
>
> Where to start with this one…?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 17, 2022, at 15:22, Dr. Emma Briant via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rod,
> > Just to clarify the below please… Are you saying you sent a legal threat
> to
> > NCA over this and as a result they stopped discussion of issues on the
> > listserv?
> > Thank you,
> > Emma
> >
> >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 at 17:54, Rod Carveth via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had indicated that I was going to stay out of any further comments
> >> related to my observation that I doubted U of Arkansas was going to be
> >> attracting top candidates given the election of the seriously
> unqualified
> >> Trumpster, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, as governor, and the educational
> >> policies that she advocates.
> >>
> >> But, I do have to respond to Daniel Greene's post today, particularly
> this
> >> passage:
> >>
> >>
> >> *Dr. Carveth was previously involved in a similar debate on the National
> >> Communication Association's list serv, regarding the rights of faculty
> to
> >> opine on "the illegal immigrant threat and the history of illegals [sic]
> >> murder and rapes, and threatened to sue
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/26/national-communication-association-suspends-discussion-listserv
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/26/national-communication-association-suspends-discussion-listserv
> >>>>
> >> anyone accusing him or colleagues of racism. *
> >>
> >> First of all, what I said on this list has absolutely nothing to do with
> >> the incident involving the CRTNET listserv.
> >>
> >> Second, Greene has conflated facts regarding that incident.
> >>
> >> My friend and colleague, Dr. Richard Vatz (Towson University) made a
> >> comment on the CRTNET listserv about how media coverage failed to
> include
> >> sufficient news coverage about "illegals." For this, Dr. Vatz was
> attacked
> >> for being a racist on both the CRTNET listserv and on a Facebook group
> >> called Communication Scholars for Transformation (CST).
> >>
> >> Dr. Vatz and I differ on many political issues, as he is conservative
> and I
> >> am liberal. But, over the years, I know that he is a principled
> >> conservative (unlike many in the GOP). I also believe in the First
> >> Amendment -- which NCA purports to be as well -- and called out the ad
> >> hominem attacks against Dr. Vatz as a way of muzzling his speech. For
> that,
> >> people on both CRTNET and CST labelled me a racist as well. Teaching at
> an
> >> HBCU and having members of your field calling you a racist is an awkward
> >> situation at best.
> >>
> >> Around that time, I had a conversation with a friend who is a First
> >> Amendment lawyer, and among the topics to come up was this issue with
> >> CRTNET and CST. The friend said one of the things I could do would take
> >> legal action. The friend said that it would be a long shot, but
> sometimes
> >> the threat is just as effective. My friend was correct. Dr. Vatz and I
> >> posted on CRTNET that if the false charges of racism did not stop, we
> would
> >> seek legal action. NCA at that point stopped having CRTNET have
> discussions
> >> about issues. Rather, CRTNET now carries announcements about conferences
> >> and research opportunities, jobs and obituaries.
> >>
> >> I hope this clarifies Greene's passage that not only erroneously tries
> to
> >> equate the two events, but also provides important context.
> >>
> >> Rod Carveth
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