[Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?

Tue Oct 25 07:49:55 PDT 2022

Hi all,

Usually a lurker on here, but I had some ideas for post-twitter academic
micro-blogging. A mastodon could certainly be a good start. Is someone
going to spin up an AOIR instance?
-
Andy Famiglietti

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:19 AM Richard Forno via Air-L <
air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:

>
> Aha.  Then disregard my prior musing.  Thanks for the edification!
>
> On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
>
> > Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to
> follow activities on a given instance.
> >
> > --Alex
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Richard Forno <rick at rickf.org>
> > Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16
> > À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca>
> > Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> > Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
> >
> > [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et
> pièces jointes. Merci!
> >
> > I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the
> spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me:  Won't
> this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in?  IoW,
> say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to
> share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance?
>  (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but
> can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I
> played.)
> >
> > If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built
> around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice,
> btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and
> communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how
> will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon
> instances?
> >
> > As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally
> wrong in my comments here.   -- rick
> >
> > On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
> >
> >> Nice to meet other Masto users.
> >>
> >> Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity
> on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global
> event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement
> transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
> >> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte
> >> chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex
> >> andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c
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> >> hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is
> that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
> >>
> >> Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages
> from this mailing-list convert into toots.
> >>
> >>
> >> --Alex
> >>
> >> ALEXANDRE ENKERLI
> >> CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally---
> via Air-L
> >> Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27
> >> À : Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <
> mckelveyf at gmail.com>
> >> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> >> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
> >>
> >> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et
> pièces jointes. Merci!
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored
> server...
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
> Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
> >> To: Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>
> >> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
> >>
> >> Hi all
> >> I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me
> in too.
> >>
> >> Be good,
> >> Fenwick
> >>
> >> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
> >>>
> >>> As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the
> >>> Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in
> >>> my presentation at AOIR.
> >>>
> >>> - Rob
> >>>
> >>> On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
> >>>> I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon
> >>>> instance,
> >>> open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
> >>>>
> >>>> Glad to discuss in Dublin.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
> >>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Stu -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
> Twitter.
> >>>>> I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
> >>>>> colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
> >>>>> perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference
> >>>>> hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and
> >>>>> socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo  I'd hate quit it,
> >>>>> but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even
> after 13 years.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
> >>>>> given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu,
> >>>>> I'm with you.  Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about
> >>>>> the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
> >>>>> accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be
> >>>>> a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from
> >>>>> 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal
> point for our
> >>>>> country one way or the other.   (Though politically, I think this
> >>>>> political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
> >>>>> treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand
> >>>>> of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got
> >>>>> cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in
> >>>>> ensuing years.)  And that's all I will prognosticate about here
> >>>>> politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not
> >>>>> just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get
> >>>>> "back on track for the future" anytime soon.  :/.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
> >>>>> years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from
> >>>>> the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's
> >>>>> been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat
> >>>>> might say, "not so much."  Of course, that change in thinking also
> could be a function of
> >>>>> midlife as well as current events.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
> >>>>> into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however
> >>>>> you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1].
> >>>>> By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the
> >>>>> appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via
> its Oversight Board.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for aca-Twitter?  As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
> >>>>> wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
> >>>>> elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for
> >>>>> professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year,
> >>>>> depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform
> post-acquisition.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stay tuned, I guess...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- rick
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
> >>>>> Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
> >>>>> concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors.  Could
> >>>>> be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the
> >>>>> sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
> >>>>>> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail
> >>>>>> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do
> >>>>>> content moderation?
> >>>>>> Is
> >>>>>> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
> >>>>>> happen.
> >>>>>> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
> >>>>>> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and
> >>>>>> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty
> >>>>>> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data
> >>>>>> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it
> >>>>>> can be inspiring.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
> >>>>>> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems
> >>>>>> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the
> >>>>>> Treasurer of a 501
> >>>>>> (c)(6)
> >>>>>> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
> >>>>>> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term
> >>>>>> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived,
> >>>>>> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute
> >>>>>> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years
> >>>>>> ago:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
> >>>>>>
> >>> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
> >>>>>> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate
> >>>>>> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines,
> >>>>>> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government
> >>>>>> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January
> >>>>>> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were
> >>>>>> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline.
> >>>>>> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded
> >>>>>> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
> >>>>>> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of
> >>>>>> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid
> >>>>>> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we
> >>>>>> found in the Canadian election of
> >>>>>> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
> >>>>>> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American
> >>>>>> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from
> >>>>>> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic
> >>>>>> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter.
> >>>>>> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that
> >>>>>> briefing. These were the slides in early February
> >>>>>> 2020:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
> >>>>>> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history.
> >>>>>> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is
> >>>>>> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot
> >>>>>> fully see, capture, measure, or control.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
> >>>>>> Founder and CEO, Texifter
> >>>>>> Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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