[Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?

Tue Oct 25 12:11:46 PDT 2022

And me :-)

-Beer

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De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> de la part de Stephanie Jo “Learning Resiliency” Kent via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
Envoyé : Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:14:02 PM
À : Caroline O <rvawonk at gmail.com>
Cc : Riccardo Nanni via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?

Me too please!

I want to keep following this conversation.

Thanks,
steph

> On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>
> I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L <
>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>
>> Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop
>> spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who
>> responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet
>> up in Dublin.
>>
>> If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two,
>> please feel free to reach out directly at aram at american.edu<mailto:
>> aram at american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
>>
>> Onwards and upwards.
>>
>> Aram
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
>>
>> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
>>
>> Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May,
>> I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are
>> *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and
>> developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we
>> can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
>>
>> - Rob
>>
>> On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote:
>> Nice to see where this thread is going!
>>
>> If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am
>> available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the
>> subject.
>>
>> I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018
>> (
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN8ubjv0MAdVFDMbtFTLCPUNNYy15n38CIFVocbQUxu_JfggwM8Q8NwVtaKus19ztCbGNSL0QJnktw$
>> ) and together with LURK, the association
>> I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter
>> (example:
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-networking-site/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN8ubjv0MAdVFDMbtFTLCPUNNYy15n38CIFVocbQUxu_JfggwM8Q8NwVtaKus19ztCbGNSIuZc9P_Q$
>> )
>>
>> Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
>>
>> all the best,
>>
>> Roel
>>
>> On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
>> Aha.  Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
>>
>> Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's
>> easier to follow activities on a given instance.
>>
>> --Alex
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Richard Forno <rick at rickf.org<mailto:rick at rickf.org>>
>> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16
>> À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca<mailto:
>> Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca>>
>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>
>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens
>> et pièces jointes. Merci!
>>
>> I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in
>> the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with
>> me:  Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance
>> you're in?  IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to
>> share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's
>> instance?   (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given
>> server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at
>> least you couldn't when I played.)
>>
>> If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS
>> built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think
>> is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online
>> interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2
>> Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their
>> identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
>>
>> As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally
>> wrong in my comments here.   -- rick
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
>>
>> Nice to meet other Masto users.
>>
>> Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of
>> activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open
>> Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open
>> Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
>>
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>>
>> However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point
>> is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from
>> birdsite.
>>
>> Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the
>> messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
>>
>>
>> --Alex
>>
>> ALEXANDRE ENKERLI
>> CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca
>>
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally---
>> via Air-L
>> Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27
>> À : Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey
>> <mckelveyf at gmail.com>
>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>
>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens
>> et pièces jointes. Merci!
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR
>> sponsored server...
>> ________________________________
>> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
>> Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
>> To: Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>
>> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>
>> Hi all
>> I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count
>> me in too.
>>
>> Be good,
>> Fenwick
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>
>> Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the
>> Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in
>> my presentation at AOIR.
>>
>> - Rob
>>
>> On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
>> I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon
>> instance,
>> open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
>> Glad to discuss in Dublin.
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
>>
>> Hi Stu -
>>
>> Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
>> Twitter.
>> I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
>> colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
>> perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference
>> hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and
>> socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo  I'd hate quit it,
>> but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even
>> after 13 years.
>>
>> Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
>> given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu,
>> I'm with you.  Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about
>> the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
>> accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be
>> a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from
>> 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal
>> point for our
>> country one way or the other.   (Though politically, I think this
>> political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
>> treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand
>> of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got
>> cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in
>> ensuing years.)  And that's all I will prognosticate about here
>> politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not
>> just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get
>> "back on track for the future" anytime soon.  :/.
>>
>> I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
>> years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from
>> the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's
>> been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat
>> might say, "not so much."  Of course, that change in thinking
>> also could be a function of
>> midlife as well as current events.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>
>> But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
>> into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however
>> you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1].
>> By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the
>> appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things
>> via its Oversight Board.
>>
>> As for aca-Twitter?  As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
>> wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
>> elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for
>> professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year,
>> depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform
>> post-acquisition.
>>
>> Stay tuned, I guess...
>>
>> -- rick
>>
>> [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
>> Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
>> concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors.  Could
>> be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the
>> sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
>>
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
>>
>> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
>> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail
>> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do
>> content moderation?
>> Is
>> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
>>
>> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
>> happen.
>> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
>> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and
>> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty
>> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data
>> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it
>> can be inspiring.
>>
>> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
>> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems
>> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the
>> Treasurer of a 501
>> (c)(6)
>> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
>> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term
>> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived,
>> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute
>> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years
>> ago:
>>
>> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
>>
>>
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>> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
>> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate
>> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines,
>> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government
>> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January
>> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were
>> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline.
>> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded
>> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
>> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of
>> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid
>> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we
>> found in the Canadian election of
>> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
>> and
>> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
>> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American
>> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from
>> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic
>> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter.
>> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that
>> briefing. These were the slides in early February
>> 2020:
>>
>>
>>
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>> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
>> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history.
>> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is
>> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot
>> fully see, capture, measure, or control.
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
>> Founder and CEO, Texifter
>> Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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