[Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
Amanda Taylor-Beswick
amanda.taylor-beswick at outlook.com
Tue Oct 25 13:11:22 PDT 2022
Me too,
Thank you
> On 25 Oct 2022, at 21:08, Sinan Aşçı via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am also interested in following the conversation. Thanks in advance! :)
>
> Sinan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 22:32, BERGMAN Beer via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>
>> And me :-)
>>
>> -Beer
>>
>> Envoyé à partir de Outlook pour iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> ________________________________
>> De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> de la part de Stephanie Jo “Learning Resiliency” Kent via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>> Envoyé : Tuesday, October 25, 2022 8:14:02 PM
>> À : Caroline O <rvawonk at gmail.com>
>> Cc : Riccardo Nanni via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>
>> Me too please!
>>
>> I want to keep following this conversation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> steph
>>
>>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Caroline O via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L <
>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop
>>>> spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who
>>>> responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet
>>>> up in Dublin.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two,
>>>> please feel free to reach out directly at aram at american.edu<mailto:
>>>> aram at american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
>>>>
>>>> Onwards and upwards.
>>>>
>>>> Aram
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
>>>>
>>>> Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May,
>>>> I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are
>>>> *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and
>>>> developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we
>>>> can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
>>>>
>>>> - Rob
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote:
>>>> Nice to see where this thread is going!
>>>>
>>>> If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am
>>>> available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the
>>>> subject.
>>>>
>>>> I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018
>>>> (
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN8ubjv0MAdVFDMbtFTLCPUNNYy15n38CIFVocbQUxu_JfggwM8Q8NwVtaKus19ztCbGNSL0QJnktw$
>>>> ) and together with LURK, the association
>>>> I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter
>>>> (example:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-networking-site/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN8ubjv0MAdVFDMbtFTLCPUNNYy15n38CIFVocbQUxu_JfggwM8Q8NwVtaKus19ztCbGNSIuZc9P_Q$
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
>>>>
>>>> all the best,
>>>>
>>>> Roel
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
>>>> Aha. Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's
>>>> easier to follow activities on a given instance.
>>>>
>>>> --Alex
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Richard Forno <rick at rickf.org<mailto:rick at rickf.org>>
>>>> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16
>>>> À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca<mailto:
>>>> Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca>>
>>>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>>
>>>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens
>>>> et pièces jointes. Merci!
>>>>
>>>> I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in
>>>> the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with
>>>> me: Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance
>>>> you're in? IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to
>>>> share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's
>>>> instance? (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given
>>>> server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at
>>>> least you couldn't when I played.)
>>>>
>>>> If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS
>>>> built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think
>>>> is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online
>>>> interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2
>>>> Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their
>>>> identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
>>>>
>>>> As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally
>>>> wrong in my comments here. -- rick
>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nice to meet other Masto users.
>>>>
>>>> Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of
>>>> activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open
>>>> Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open
>>>> Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point
>>>> is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from
>>>> birdsite.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the
>>>> messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Alex
>>>>
>>>> ALEXANDRE ENKERLI
>>>> CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally---
>>>> via Air-L
>>>> Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27
>>>> À : Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey
>>>> <mckelveyf at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>>>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>>
>>>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens
>>>> et pièces jointes. Merci!
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR
>>>> sponsored server...
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
>>>> Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
>>>> To: Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>
>>>> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>> I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count
>>>> me in too.
>>>>
>>>> Be good,
>>>> Fenwick
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the
>>>> Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in
>>>> my presentation at AOIR.
>>>>
>>>> - Rob
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
>>>> I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon
>>>> instance,
>>>> open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
>>>> Glad to discuss in Dublin.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stu -
>>>>
>>>> Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
>>>> Twitter.
>>>> I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
>>>> colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
>>>> perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference
>>>> hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and
>>>> socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo I'd hate quit it,
>>>> but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even
>>>> after 13 years.
>>>>
>>>> Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
>>>> given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu,
>>>> I'm with you. Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about
>>>> the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
>>>> accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be
>>>> a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from
>>>> 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal
>>>> point for our
>>>> country one way or the other. (Though politically, I think this
>>>> political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
>>>> treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand
>>>> of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got
>>>> cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in
>>>> ensuing years.) And that's all I will prognosticate about here
>>>> politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not
>>>> just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get
>>>> "back on track for the future" anytime soon. :/.
>>>>
>>>> I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
>>>> years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from
>>>> the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's
>>>> been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat
>>>> might say, "not so much." Of course, that change in thinking
>>>> also could be a function of
>>>> midlife as well as current events. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>>>
>>>> But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
>>>> into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however
>>>> you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1].
>>>> By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the
>>>> appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things
>>>> via its Oversight Board.
>>>>
>>>> As for aca-Twitter? As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
>>>> wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
>>>> elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for
>>>> professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year,
>>>> depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform
>>>> post-acquisition.
>>>>
>>>> Stay tuned, I guess...
>>>>
>>>> -- rick
>>>>
>>>> [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
>>>> Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
>>>> concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors. Could
>>>> be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the
>>>> sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
>>>> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail
>>>> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do
>>>> content moderation?
>>>> Is
>>>> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
>>>>
>>>> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
>>>> happen.
>>>> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
>>>> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and
>>>> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty
>>>> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data
>>>> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it
>>>> can be inspiring.
>>>>
>>>> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
>>>> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems
>>>> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the
>>>> Treasurer of a 501
>>>> (c)(6)
>>>> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
>>>> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term
>>>> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived,
>>>> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute
>>>> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years
>>>> ago:
>>>>
>>>> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
>>>> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate
>>>> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines,
>>>> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government
>>>> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January
>>>> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were
>>>> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline.
>>>> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded
>>>> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
>>>> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of
>>>> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid
>>>> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we
>>>> found in the Canadian election of
>>>> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
>>>> and
>>>> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
>>>> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American
>>>> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from
>>>> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic
>>>> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter.
>>>> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that
>>>> briefing. These were the slides in early February
>>>> 2020:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
>>>> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history.
>>>> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is
>>>> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot
>>>> fully see, capture, measure, or control.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
>>>> Founder and CEO, Texifter
>>>> Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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