[Assam] Demands for Separate states in India

Mon Aug 28 09:05:34 PDT 2006

Excellent points Rajib.

The more deeply one looks at these insurgent activities, the more one is
convinced that they do not have a plan or lond-term goals for the masses
they steadfastly swear to represent.

There are just too many what-ifs and absloutely no answers. So whatever
these insurgent groups say must be the gospel and they are not answerable to
anyone.

--Ram da

On 8/28/06, Rajib Das <rajibdas at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> O' C-da,
>
> If you notice, I mentioned "proportionately" as a key
> word while talking about magnitude. I also mentioned
> that there is a long line of extractors in the case of
> Assam. They will come first and the re-engineering
> will take into account the fact that they will come
> first.
>
> So here is a question for you: Would it be acceptable
> to you if the the new re-engineered government held up
> the primacy of let's say ULFA and ULFA political wing?
> If you are ULFA, you get 50% of the resources. If you
> are a ULFA sympathiser, you get into government no
> questions asked.
>
> Re-engineering will not happen in a vaccuum.
>
> > But any event, it has NOTHING to do with the
> > magnitude of resources a
> > sate has. Therefore your contention that India , if
> > with its  much
> > larger ( MAGNITUDE) resources cannot re-engineer its
> > governance, then
> > an independent Assam with much lesser ( MAGNITUDE)
> > resources cannot
> > possibly effect governmental reforms is
> > a highly untenable argument. One has nothing to do
> > with the other.
> >
> >
>
> No. And if you asked me - I would lay the blame
> squarely on militants. The sovereignity movements in
> the last couple of decades deprived people during
> moments of opportunity that were seized elsewhere
> despite the central government.
>
>
> > *** Perhaps so, just like it has been for the last
> > quarter century
> > since Assam's sovereignty aspirations germinated.
> > But what have we
> > seen so far? Anything to take note of, anything to
> > bank our hopes on?
> > Nothing, zip, zero, nada--if you asked me.
> >
>
> I cannot believe you still are fighting this fight????
> :-) You see stats staring at you, telling you
> otherwise and you keep on - much like Fidel Castro.
>
> >
> > *** Perhaps so, but MANY needs defining.  How much
> > is MANY? What
> > percentage of the whole would constitute MANY? Try
> > defining it and
> > then take stock of the situation and report to us,
> > would ya? I am
> > sure it will be an interesting read :-).
> >
>
> Another one. As I mentioned earlier, India was
> tottering a couple of decades back. Not any more.
>
> Now you can continue to be Fidel Castro :-)
>
>
> >
> > *** Survival is NOT the issue. India has survived,
> > tottering at the
> > edge, for a very long time. And it can be expected
> > to do so for yet
> > another very long period. But why should Assam be
> > held hostage to
> > such a tottering existence?
>
>
> Those that took over from the Agitation had enough
> control over how resources are allocated. They messed
> up - period.
>
> I think the fault lines were elsewhere however. But
> that is another topic of discussion.
>
> > *** It had NOTHING to do with allocation of
> > resources. Assam could
> > not possibly have had a say on resource allocation,
> > because it is
> > controlled by Dilli. Not that the crew in charge
> > could have done a
> > better job,had it been in control over resources;
> > but the fact
> > remains that resources are controlled by that
> > remote, imperial ,
> > colonial Center.
> >
>
> Yes. Like I said, many don't like the priorities and
> the speed of the re-engineering happening. Why Naxals,
> I don't too! But I see a positive. And in my opinion,
> the naxals are fighting an unwinnable war because
> their  agenda will be taken over by the mainstream
> pretty soon.
>
> > *** If that were to be true, Naxal movements
> > spreading to 1/3 of the
> > districts could not possibly have happened.
>
>
> It has. Because at the end, it is a war of ideas.
> Which one is fresh, young and holds promise is the one
> which will win. If Independent Assam has to win as an
> idea, it has to show WHY it is a better option than a
> resurgent India. In the seventies and eighties, it
> would have been a different, far easier gig (which is
> why these movements gathered momentum in the first
> place). It isn't any more.
>
> > *** That has NOTHING to do with Assam however.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:43 PM -0700 8/26/06, Rajib Das wrote:
> > >Actually I would say this is indeed.
> > >
> > >The intent, will and ability to re-engineer
> > anything -
> > >including governments, companies, communities and
> > >families - is ALL about the reallocation of
> > resources.
> > >
> > >>  *** Is this some kind of an irrefutable or
> > >>  unchangeable natural law
> > >>  :-)? What does RESOURCE have to do with the
> > ability
> > >>  to re-engineer a
> > >>  state's governance?
> > >
> > >The fractured polity you talk about is really today
> > a
> > >work in progress towards a re-engineering. It just
> > >isn't quite happening with priorities, speed and
> > >directions many of us would want for different
> > >reasons.
> > >
> > >The behemoth elephant called India is dancing
> > pretty
> > >well for many people within India (including many
> > in
> > >the NE) to align themselves to the idea of India.
> > At
> > >least - relatively speaking vis a vis the idea of
> > an
> > >idependent Assam, it is more attractive primarily
> > >because it offers glimpses of a better availability
> > of
> > >resources for more sections of the people. This
> > >behemoth, once moving, moves at more speed and
> > >attracts more resources to fuel that movement.
> > >
> > >>  India is incapable because of its deeply
> > fractured
> > >>  polity, and its
> > >>  behemoth-like size.
> > >
> > >Like I mentioned earlier, in as much as small
> > nations
> > >can survive, so can big nations. In fact, bigger
> > ones
> > >such as India can rally more people and more
> > resources
> > >behind an elightened agenda.
> > >
> > >It is ALL about what that enlightened agenda does
> > to
> > >the availability and the reallocation of resources
> > :-)
> > >
> > >>  But Assam, in spite of its diversity, is a far
> > more
> > >>  manageable
> > >>  entity, that can and will close ranks behind an
> > >>  enlightened  agenda.
> > >
> > >No doubt, the Assam Agitation was a great example
> > it
> > >could be done. Unfortunately for the advocates of
> > >independent Assam, the ideas of the agitation
> > >floundered and was not followed up with a really
> > >better allocation of resources. Instead what it
> > >wrought, followed up with a decade and more of
> > >destruction of resources.
> > >
> > >Fortunately for India, its ability to re-engineer
> > >itself in the early nineties meant availability of
> > >more resources to be allocated across larger cross
> > >sections of people.
> > >
> > >It is no suprise which idea is winning today.
> > >
> > >>  The 'andwlon' was a good example that it could
> > be
> > >>  done. Unfortunately
> > >>  the 'andwlon' leadership had a divisive agenda,
> > was
> > >>  uneducated about
> > >>  how to form a government and reform it to move
> > >>  forward. They young
> > >>  folks thought that changing of the guard was
> > enough
> > >>  to take them to
> > >>  the promised land. It was a profoundly  faulty
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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