[Assam] Fwd: Guwahati: RSS chief's ridiculous comments?

Tue Dec 12 22:07:05 PST 2006

Well, here is a nice discussion session going on ..

Rim, I talked about 'hidden agenda' in context of agenda of the function
attended by our 'responsible' Assamese editors. If you know about open
agenda of RSS, can't you visualize what Sudarshan meant when he appealed to
deport illegal Bangladeshis? Going by what you mentioned as open ideal of
RSS, his 'hidden agenda' is to eliminate any minority citizen, legal or
illegal from Assam.

And you are giving 'benefit of doubt'; but at what cost? Any benefit of
doubt is given to anyone when you don't know the real motives of others; NOT
when you know everything about.

Ram had rightly reinstated what I said before.. Regardless of religion, the
last illegal Bangladeshi has to be deported. And Rim, you may ask anyone
from RSS about deporting an illegal Bangladeshi Hindu (it should be very
less in number); and you will get the answer to my question 'at what cost'.

And yes, Umesh gave a different and interesting way of looking into the
matter... Though I am not really very sure, but I feel the diplomatic
relationship/ mutual understandings between India and Nepal is simply
non-comparable with India's relationship with Bangladesh. And that's why
things like vote-banking game etc would not be the same to play with
Nepalese and Bangladeshis, for our politicians. So I feel, these two matters
ought to be treated differently, unlike AID peoples. Any comments???..

Tapan

On 12/13/06, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >There should be some check and balances
> >through some organizations like RSS
>
> What I am understanding is that organizations like the RSS (or the
> Jamiat-e-Islami if we were to flip it around) ought be tolerated because
> they provide the 'checks & balances". I would be apalled with such a notion
> of placing the responsibility of upholding secular values on such
> organizations.
>
> The RSS at best is a counter-balance to organizations like the Jamiat, and
> at worst anti-secularists and often border on issues like Hindu superamacy
> or India for Hindus. If all that is true, then the RSS like some Muslim
> organizations go against the very grain of Indian democracy and the ideals
> of secularism.
>
> One would hope anti-secular activities are dealth with sternly. As for the
> PM or any other minister (election or not) playing on religious sentiments
> or pitting one religion against another is just plain unforgiveable.
>
> I have a totally different take on illegals from Bangladesh. Regardless of
> what religion they belong to. they ought to be deported. And it is incumbent
> upon BOTH Hindus and Muslims (and politicians) so as NOT treat deportations
> as a religious issue.
>
> --Ram
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/12/06, Rimzim Dihingiya <rdihingiya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > It is good to know that RSS has hidden agenda. I
> > thought RSS is openly a hard-core hindu organization.
> > I am a secular hindu, but still I would give my
> > benefit of doubt to RSS in the present political
> > situation in India and Assam. If you have heard our
> > Prime Minister remark of giving first preference to
> > Muslims for access to resources (though he had UP
> > elections in mind), and he would do it with Communist
> > parties' help. There should be some check and balances
> > through some organizations like RSS.
> >
> > On the flip side, Congress and some organizations
> > Jamait-e-islami-hind openly share views about radical
> > islam and want to uplift minorities at the cost of
> > majorities!!! Let us not forget that the plight of
> > poor muslims in this country is due to the long rule
> > of Congress since independence as the poor muslims
> > allowed themselves to be played around by the congress
> > and their secular colleagues in the present UPA govt.
> >
> > Rim
> > --- Ritu Tapan Borah <ritutapanborah at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > > You are absolutely right Ram.. and everyone here can
> > > visualize what you are
> > > saying, I feel...
> > >
> > > But the point I tried to make here is that, though
> > > the apparent objectives
> > > of RSS and us (people who are truly secular and who
> > > respect our age-old
> > > Diversity) are same; the hidden agendas of
> > > organizations like RSS need to be
> > > noted carefully.
> > >
> > > And, it is beyond doubt, whether a person be a
> > > Bangladeshi Muslim or Hindu
> > > (if at all one is there); if he/she is illegal
> > > infiltrator -- must be
> > > deported back.
> > >
> > > But we must understand the dirty hidden agendas of
> > > others if any and think
> > > clearly before empathizing. Because, "same
> > > objectives does not necessitate
> > > co-operation if our means to attain it are
> > > different." We must choose our
> > > own course of journey towards goal which suits our
> > > ideals.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Tapan
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/12/06, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >How can responsible peoples like editors of
> > > newspapers and
> > > > ex-bureaucrates attend a function attended by an
> > > >organization like RSS; the
> > > > group of fundamentalists with no respect to
> > > India's DIVERSITY?!!! Its
> > > > ridiculous..
> > > >
> > > > While one can readily agree with the above, I
> > > think there is more than
> > > > what meets the eye here.
> > > > The RSS, of course, has its own agenda , it is a
> > > frightening reality that
> > > > the entire NE is being infiltrated by illegal
> > > Bangladeshis. That is the
> > > > problem. Indian Muslims and Hindus have learnt to
> > > live in peace with each
> > > > other over the centuries.
> > > >
> > > > India and Indians ought to stress unity amongst
> > > the various religions
> > > > (Muslims/Hindus/Christians etc), and keep the
> > > goals of secularism. That
> > > > being said, it certainly does not mean that we
> > > give a pass to illegals from
> > > > Bangladesh - just because they happen to be
> > > Muslims(or of some other
> > > > religion).
> > > >
> > > > The fact that they happen to be Muslims is of no
> > > consequence here. We
> > > > ought not to get away from the fact that these are
> > > illegals first and
> > > > illegals last, and for the sake of national
> > > security and unity, all Indians
> > > > ought to oppose this illegal incursions into
> > > India. Such an invasion, if
> > > > unabated, will ultimately hurt Indian Muslims and
> > > Hindus alike.
> > > >
> > > > --Ram
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/11/06, Ritu Tapan Borah
> > > <ritutapanborah at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How can responsible peoples like editors of
> > > newspapers and
> > > > > ex-bureaucrates attend a function attended by an
> > > organization like RSS; the
> > > > > group of fundamentalists with no respect to
> > > India's DIVERSITY?!!! Its
> > > > > ridiculous..
> > > > >
> > > > >  On 12/12/06, umesh sharma <
> > > jaipurschool at yahoo.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lets see if this goes now.
> > > > > > Also: If RSS chief is really interested in
> > > uniting Hindus he should go
> > > > > > to Kamakhya temple etc and order priests to
> > > enrol  Dalits as interns (to
> > > > > > become future temple priests there ) with RSS
> > > paying their expenses. Same
> > > > > > with Shankaracharyas in various other temples.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder how a religion can have imperialist
> > > designs - only humans
> > > > > > can.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *umesh sharma < jaipurschool at yahoo.com>* wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:34:26 +0000 (GMT)
> > > > > > From: umesh sharma < jaipurschool at yahoo.com >
> > > > > > Subject: Guwahati: RSS chief's ridiculous
> > > comments?
> > > > > > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [image: The Assam Tribune online]
> > > > > > *Guwahati, Monday, December 11, 2006*
> > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > *Thwart fundamentalist activities in NE, says
> > > RSS chief
> > > > > > *By A Staff Reporter
> > > > > >  GUWAHATI, Dec 10 – RSS chief KS Sudarshan
> > > today called upon the
> > > > > > people of the North-east to unite against
> > > imperialistic designs of the
> > > > > > Christian church as also the Muslim
> > > fundamentalists who had set their eyes
> > > > > > on the region to further their plans for
> > > dominance of their religions. "Both
> > > > > > the Christian church and the Muslim
> > > fundamentalists are engaged in an
> > > > > > aggressive pursuit of their evil designs of
> > > imperialism across the world,
> > > > > > and the Northeast happens to be an important
> > > area of their focus due to its
> > > > > > strategic location," Sudarshan said while
> > > addressing a Prabuddha Nagarik
> > > > > > Sanmilan (Enlightened Citizens' Meet) at the
> > > District Library auditorium.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terming the unabated infiltration from
> > > Bangladesh, increasing
> > > > > > activities of the church aimed at spreading
> > > Christianity, and the growing
> > > > > > consumerism among the people as the major
> > > problems faced by the country,
> > > > > > Sudarshan said that only a united front from
> > > the people could defeat such
> > > > > > evil forces.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DN Bezboruah, former editor of *The Sentinel*,
> > > in his speech, said
> > > > > > that infiltration from Bangladesh was the
> > > result of inaction on the part the
> > > > > > elected representatives of the State since
> > > 1962. "We cannot blame others for
> > > > > > the problem created by us, because our own
> > > leaders consistently deceived the
> > > > > > people on the Bangladeshi issue for their
> > > narrow vote bank politics that is
> > > > > > determined by the illegal foreign settlers,"
> > > he said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terming India as the only country where the
> > > majority is rendered
> > > > > > second class citizens due to the unabashed
> > > minority-appeasement policy of
> > > > > > the governments, Bezboruah said that even hard
> > > facts and data about the
> > > > > > status of the Muslim minority ( i.e. their
> > > abnormal increase in
> > > > > > population) were sought to be brushed under
> > > the carpet for upholding the
> > > > > > so-called secularism. "Only yesterday even the
> > > Prime Minister spoke about
> > > > > > minorities having the first rights over the
> > > country's resources," he said,
> > > > > > adding that the state of affairs in Asom –
> > > where the Bangladeshis are the
> > > > > > first class citizens – best sums up the
> > > situation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stating that the prevailing situation did not
> > > hint at a healthy
> > > > > > democracy in the country, Bezboruah said that
> > > the time had come for all the
> > > > > > Hindus to unite, discarding their differences
> > > on grounds of caste. "Nowhere
> > > > > > in the world can one witness such blatant
> > > appeasement of the minorities to
> > > > > > the extent that the majority is in grave
> > > danger of losing their identity.
> > > > > > The only way out of this morass is a united
> > > stand by the Hindus," he said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DN Chakravorty, editor of Dainik Asam, was of
> > > the view that the
> > > > > > openness of the Hindu religion was being taken
> > > advantage of by outsiders,
> > > > > > putting in jeopardy in the process the very
> > > existence
> > === message truncated ===>
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