[Assam] India's Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters FromNew History Books on Ancient India

[Barua25]

Ram:
That type of argument simply lead us to a twilight zone. 'Everybody does corruption, so what is new in this, let us do it'-type of mentality. 'Everybody does compromise with truth etc etc/
Sorry to see that again in your defense for Hinduism.
Your argument for the action of the BJPs also ring such tone. Question you did not answer was that no Hindus has opposed the BJP move so far as we know it. So we can always say that 'Oh don't worry, some ignorant BJP are  doing that'. It is the same mentality which lead us to the  defense of ULFA insurgents,: 'Don't worry, it is only the ignorant 'boys' doing it.'
RB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Manoj Das 
  To: Ram Sarangapani ; assam at assamnet.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] India's Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters FromNew History Books on Ancient India


  "The cow is a four footed domestic animal. It is the most useful to all animals. Cow gives us milk, it ploughs our land, it pulls cart, it's dung is used for making fire cakes, dung and urine are disinfectants and is used by the rural folk to apply a layer on their mud houses, cowdung is used to produce gobar gas. The dead carcass is used for fertilizer, bones are used for making buttons, hide is used for leather etc. etc. etc.". 

  As a school kid we used to remember the essay on cow by heart. It was only essay that used to appear in the question paper with religious regularity. 

  It is a gross mis-utilisation if such an animal is used for eating the flesh part only. I think down the ages at some point in the vedic time, the cattle population dwindled to alrming level due to over eating may be, threatening nutrition, farming etc. This was when religion was brought in and the cow was saved by making it 'holy'. 

  mkd

   
  On 6/17/06, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote: 
    Dear Barua,

    >Now why the Hindus should have any problem in believing >this to be true, and why the Hindus try to hide this fact by >distorting the record. 

    I really don't think mainstream Hindus have any problem in this. Many Hindus recognize that ancient Hindus supposedly did eat beef. Who is trying to hide this fact? Most Hindus don't care one way or the other about this. The fact that some in the education department now or in previous BJP govt. tried to rewrite some textbooks has little relevance to mainstream Hindus. 

    And just because some BJP or Congress minister wants to do this, certainly does not mean "all Hindus". That is too broad a brush.

    >Is that what Hindusim teach: To compromise with the truth if >found not to one'e liking?

    I am not sure if you ever had the chance to read the Old Testament and then compare it to the New Testament? If you have,  you would know that 'compromising the truth' is not just a Hindu monopoly. And then extend this to the politically correct interpretations of Islam. 
    Simply put, if you want to find problems with religions and the faithful, you won't have to look far in any religion.

    --Ram



    On 6/17/06, Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com > wrote: 
      Umesh:
      It seems that the facts are very clear. The Vedas recorded that the ancient Hindus used to eat Beef. Now why the Hindus should have any problem in believing this to be true, and why the Hindus try to hide this fact by distorting the record. Is that what Hindusim teach: To compromise with the truth if found not to one'e liking? 
      RB
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: umesh sharma 
      To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua ; assam at assamnet.org 
      Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:50 PM
      Subject: Re: [Assam] India's Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books on Ancient India

       
      If Hindus do not believe the Vedas then who does --but lets not mix religious beliefs with historical facts and reasoning  --as many of the Net say:))

      Od do you want the history txtbooks to write as follows: 
      "Hindus believe that the ancient Hindus used to eat Holy cow - who is their mother -as per their belief," --that makes no sense.

      What do you propose?

      Umesh

      Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
        The question is do the Hindus believe the Vedas?  Why you have to rely on what others believe?
        RB 
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: umesh sharma 
          To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua ; assam at assamnet.org 
          Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:26 AM
          Subject: Re: [Assam] India's Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books on Ancient India

           
          I wonder what proof we have (besides mention in Vedas [Rig Veda]) about Indians eating beef? As you know most Western historians would not believe Hindu scriptures are historiucally true -then why quote from them for beef eating? 

          Umesh

          Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
            1.   India's Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books on Ancient India
            epaper.timesofindia.com 
            NEW DELHI, INDIA, June 12, 2006: (HPI note: The irony of this NCERT action is that the previous BJP government met with vigorous opposition from the now ruling Congress party and allies when it attempted to make the same change, considered an affront to Hinduism, in the text books.) 

            References to ancient India's beef-eaters have been done away with in NCERT's newly-introduced history textbooks. NCERT, National Council of Educational Research and Training, is the national commission responsible for the textbooks in India's schools. NCERT changed the syllabus for Classes I, III, VI, IX and XI from this year in accordance with the national curriculum framework (NCF) 2005, to prescribe broad guidelines for an ideal course curriculum. Till last year, Class VI and XI textbooks had references to beef-eating habits. "These references were there in ancient Indian history books for Classes VI and IX till last year. Those textbooks have been replaced and the new ones have no mention of beef-eating," NCERT spokesman Ashish Bahad said. The reference had raised objections from several quarters last year and a Public Interest Litigation was filed in the Supreme Court. NCERT had also formed a three-member expert committee to look into the matter. "Following the NCF 2005, NCERT developed new history textbooks that attempt to arouse the curiosity of schoolchildren. The books encourage students to find out historical facts on their own," Bahad added. 
             
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      Ed.M. - International Education Policy 
      Harvard Graduate School of Education,
      Harvard University,
      Class of 2005

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