[Assam] Fwd: Thomas Friedman: Are Latin Americans going to emulateIndia or get addicted to China?

[Rajib Das]

If you notice the supply bases China is sewing for
everything from oil to minerals - it runs the whole
gamut of South America and Africa.

You will also hear news about how as US would say,
China is trading with countries such as Sudan with
questionable human rights records!

--- Dilip/Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't think Tom friedman intended so much to
> compare India and China in the article. His real
> intent was to tell the Latin Americans that they
> ought to invest in technical education (that too in
> IT) in order to have a growth in economy, in stead
> of trying to grow the economy by digging out and
> selling the raw material they have, to China. The
> latter requires traders and lawyers to run the bulk
> raw material business.
>   The China syndrome in his article probably refers
> to the giant suction of raw material to China and
> the resultant short term spurt in raw material
> business in Latin america.
>   Dilipda
> 
> "Roy, Santanu" <sroy at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
>   I have no clue why this man thinks that the model
> of living off natural resources is a China syndrome.
> I tried to read his book, but it irritated the hell
> out of me. 
> Truth is that growth in both India and China are
> based on human capital. The Chinese one is based on
> human capital tuned to working in manufacturing
> (which is not as some would imagine "unskilled"),
> while the Indian model is tuned to the service
> sector. As one of my former teacher is fond of
> saying "China is the world's factory and India is
> the world's back-office." 
> The orgin of this divergence is partially rooted in
> the very nature of Indian and Chinese immigration to
> the west. Chinese human capital in the industrial
> sector involves a lot of learning by doing - at home
> and abroad - acquired through the century - partly
> by the overseas chinese (OC) labor force. The Indian
> human capital is based on publicly funded technical
> higher education (and more recently, its private
> sector off shoot) and the links established by its
> cream - the NRI labor force in the last few decades.
> Santanu 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org on behalf of
> Dilip/Dil Deka
> Sent: Thu 6/22/2006 9:51 AM
> To: ASSAMNET
> Subject: [Assam] Fwd: Thomas Friedman: Are Latin
> Americans going to emulateIndia or get addicted to
> China?
> 
> What did they feed Mr. Friedman in India that he is
> ga-ga over the India model every time he writes? :-)
> Dilip
> ===================================================
> 
> Ram Narayanan wrote:
> To: dilipdeka at yahoo.com
> Subject: Thomas Friedman: Are Latin Americans going
> to emulate India or get addicted to China?
> From: "Ram Narayanan" 
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:35:21 -0400
> 
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> #ff9900; size:1px;} Dear Dil & Dilip Deka: 
> 
> Thomas Friedman turns the spotlight on an important
> choice that Latin Americans face: Will they allow
> China to continue exploiting their natural resources
> - timber, iron, soybeans, minerals, gas, fish meal
> -- to feed China's voracious appetite and keep jobs
> and factories humming in China -- which, over the
> longer run, will leave the Latin Americans poor OR
> will they focus as India does on developing their
> human resources? 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Ram Narayanan 
> US-India Friendship 
> http://www.usindiafriendship.net/ 
> 
>
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/06/21/opinion/21friedman.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists%2fThomas%20L%20Friedman
> THE NEW YORK TIMES 
> 
> Latin America's Choice 
> 
> Are Latin Americans going to emulate India or get
> addicted to China? 
> 
> By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, June 21, 2006 
> 
> There are a lot of ways to describe Latin America's
> challenge today. Some will tell you it's the age-old
> question of overcoming the staggering gap here
> between rich and poor. Some will tell you it's
> rooting out corruption and misgovernance. But I come
> at this issue with my own perspective, and I would
> describe the big question facing Latin Americans
> this way: Are they going to emulate India or get
> addicted to China? 
> 
> This question was, at least implicitly, a subtext of
> the recent election here in Peru. But it's true
> throughout this continent, which has always been
> better at mining its resources than mining its
> people. 
> 
> Let me explain by introducing Gabriel Rozman - a
> Jewish technologist of Hungarian roots who was
> raised in Uruguay, educated in America and now heads
> the Latin American operations of India's biggest
> software/outsourcing company, Tata Consultancy
> Services of Mumbai. 
> 
> Mr. Rozman runs Tata's Latin American business out
> of Montevideo, where 550 Uruguayan programmers,
> trained and directed by Indians, are writing code
> and running the computer systems for companies all
> across this continent. They are backed up by Tata
> engineers in India, Hungary, China, Brazil, Chile,
> Mexico and Argentina. India now thinks Latin America
> is its backyard, too. 
> 
> And so does China. China, though, is almost
> exclusively focused here on extracting natural
> resources - timber, iron, soybeans, minerals, gas,
> fish meal - to feed its voracious appetite and keep
> jobs and factories humming in China. There is
> nothing wrong about that. America and Spain did the
> same for years - and often rapaciously. Today,
> China's appetite is helping to fuel a worldwide boom
> in commodity prices that is enabling a poor,
> low-industrialized country like Peru to grow at 5
> percent. 
> 
> But countries that get addicted to selling their
> natural resources rarely develop their human
> resources and the educational institutions and
> innovative companies that go with that. So after the
> ore has been mined, the trees cut and the oil
> pumped, their people are actually even more behind. 
> 
> "Why can't Latin America do what India is doing?"
> Mr. Rozman asked when I spoke with him in Washington
> last week. It can, he insists, but only if it
> changes - fast. "Right now I have 500 job openings I
> can't fill, and the problem is education. The
> prestige career to follow in India is engineering,
> and in Latin America it is [still] law or being a
> notary public." 
> "We need more computer courses with real standards
> and starting at an early age," he said. A lot of
> higher education in Latin America is modeled on the
> French/European system, which is better at producing
> philosophers than programmers. Philosophers are
> important, but not in bulk. 
> 
> Latin America also has to do a better job of
> teaching English, he added, and eliminating the red
> tape that prevents economic integration in Latin
> America and makes it very cumbersome to start new
> businesses here. 
> 
> "To go from Argentina to Montevideo is only a
> 20-minute flight," Mr. Rozman explained, but in
> terms of the economic integration demanded today by
> global firms, they are 10,000 miles apart. In
> addition, most of the legal systems in Latin America
> are designed to promote agriculture and light
> industry, not intellectual property or innovation.
> "All the laws were made for another type of
> society," he said. "If we don't get caught up with
> the next wave, we're in trouble." 
> 
> That next wave is called "follow the sun," he said.
> "We like to start a project in Bangalore or Mumbai,
> then, as the day moves on, move it to our offices in
> Eastern Europe and then to Latin American." Tata
> expects its engineers in each place to be equally
> trained, speak English and have the computing
> infrastructure 
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