[Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Sat Mar 11 09:22:02 PST 2006
Very well said Rajen.
BTW, I think the personal statement in his
e-mails, Priyankoo's imagination of 'dex',
country--as little more than an idea--'dharona',
the last part of an address; is poetic and
beautiful, as opposed to the commonly used ones
as "mother" for example.
Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words
and phrases, demonstrates his own insecurity and
inferiority complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him
to Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He
even writes 'desh', as in deshotkoi'. Did Lasit
Borphukan speak Sanskrit?
I know you said as much. I just wanted to make it
clear,lest it is missed; even though it is kind
of cruel.
I have some thoughts about the context in which
he supposedly uttered the purported quote
'dexotokoi mwmai dangor nohoy', which when I
aired last time in assamnet several years back,
drew howls of protest from Oxomiyas who accepted
the act as one of 'heroism'. Will take that up
again when I get a little time. In the meantime,
those with tender sensitivities may consider
bracing themselves for another round of assaults
to their psyches. I am giving fair warning!
c :-)
At 10:16 AM -0600 3/11/06, Barua25 wrote:
>Dear Himen-da:
>Thanks for your note.
>Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority
>complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been
>saying this for decades now. This is something
>one can only feel or realize seeing the day to
>day actions of the Assamese people as a group on
>national or international level. First we will
>have to 'recognize the fact that we have this
>IC. >From my side I can write a essay citing
>examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not
>like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask
>to either counter my arguments or give me some
>examples whereby we can say that Assamese are
>not suffering from IC. However, I don't exactly
>understand when you say we need to discuss this
>in the net. What we can achieve by discussing
>this in the net? And I think we have discussed
>this issue many times in the net. This is
>something we can remove by our leaders first by
>getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then
>educating the people by their actions. (Please
>note that we use the net not to solve problems
>but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test
>our idea's. From that angle the net is a very
>cruel sounding borad. It will hit one back and
>may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.)
>
>Regarding the slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar
>nohoi" I would not like to equate this
>unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma
>simply because it will not serve any purpose
>unless of course one is trying to make poor
>Lasit an Assamese Krishna. I think we should
>not try to defend or justify Lasit more than
>what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact
>and let us try to utilize this fact to the
>advantage of the future of the Assamese. (BTW
>please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese
>phonetics in Roman script in the net as opposed
>to your Sanskritised transliteration writing. So
>we would write the phrase more like 'dexotkoi
>mwmai dangor nohoy'. May explain details later. )
>
>Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta
>dharana, thikanar shesh shari", all I can say is
>that so far I know this is a personal statement
>(a philosophical quote one may say) being used
>by Priyanku Sarma in the net. Here again please
>note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese
>ethnic spelling as : Dex matho eta
>dharona, thikonar xex xari..., and not what you
>spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if
>there is anything more to its meaning, Priyanku
>can respond.
>
>Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona',
>I think you are trying too hard to find the
>meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note
>that this is a simple Assamese word, and many a
>times, the same word may mean slightly
>different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We
>should try to use the Assamese meaning. From
>that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word,
>meaning 'conception' or 'idea' or 'comment' etc.
>The meaning is clear when we say the Assamese
>sentence "Ei ghotonatw xomporke twmar ki dharona
>baru?" Some netters like Alpana and others
>probably may give you better sentence using the
>Assamese word 'dharona'. Anyhow the full
>meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be : A
>country is nothing an idea which is only
>required to use as a last phrase in one's
>address. In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam
>type) quote, and I can write volumes in support
>of this poetic or philosophical statement.
>
>Hope this will make some clarifications. More later.
>Thanks
>Rajen
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>Cc: <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:jugalkalita at yahoo.com>J Kalita ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net
>; <mailto:shivadoul at yahoo.com>Ginima Barua ;
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ;
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B.
>Sarangapani ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:32 AM
>Subject: Acute inferiorty complex
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>Thanks for your letter. The points that you have
>raised in this letter should definitely be
>discussed in the net.
>
>But, I think what you so correctly said on March
>5, 2006 "Assamese are already suffering from
>acute inferiorty complex" should be given to
>PRIORITY in the discussion in the assam-net.
>
>I congratulate you for pointing out this
>terrible thing "inferiorty complex" and most
>earnestly request you to run a discussion on
>this point in the net. I am trying to start this
>discussion by quoting Lachit's "deshatkoi momai
>dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not greater than my
>country)".
>
>The slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My
>uncle is not greater than my country)" is
>actually a re-statement of what Lord Shrikrishna
>stated in Bhagavadgita. Killing of grand-uncle
>Bhishma at the "Declared Battle of Kurukshetra"
> was justified by Lord Shrikrishna to establish
>righteousness. The word "righteousness" is the
>translation of the word "dharma" of the verses
>7&8 Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita.
>
>When Lachit said "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"
>(My uncle is not greater than my country)", he
>was using the word "desha" to mean a Motherland
>whose defense was our righteous right. What
>Lachit said at the spur of the moment appears
>like a "slogan" to us. This may give some answer
>to the objection of Jugal Kalita [I apologize if
>I misunderstood him] about slogans.
>
>Another slogan is floating in the net "desh
>matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" --- I
>am finding it difficult to translate this into
>English because the meaning of the word
>"dharana" is not clear to me. I see "dharana" as
>the sixth step of Patanjali's Ashtanga Yoga:
>(1) Yama, (2)Niyama, (3) Asana, (4) Pranayama,
>(5) Pratyahara, (6)Dharana, (7) Dhyana, and (8)
>Samadhi.
>
>The propounder of the slogan "desh matho eta
>dharana, thikanar shesh shari" should give the
>meaning of the word "dharana"and explain why
>"dharana" has been equated with "desha". Correct
>me if I am wrong, I think the slogans like
> "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari"
>are generating the acute inferiorty
>complex" that you pointed out.
>
>The propounder & supporters of the slogan "desh
>matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" should
>come forward to compare it with Lachit's
>"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi".
>
>In my opinion, Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar
>nohoi" will expel the acute inferiorty complex
>--- a new, unwanted twist of Assamese mind ---
>that you so correctly pointed out.
>
>With the best wishes,
>Himendra
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>Cc:
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net
>; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani ;
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:52 PM
>Subject: Re: deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
>
>Dear Himenda:
>Thanks for your response. Glad to know that the
>book was a part of your course.
>Regarding the historical data of the story, I
>think you need to have some back up. Because it
>is such a horrifying story, it may give the
>people a completely different picture about
>Islam. The actual reality however may be quite
>different. The reason I am saying this is
>because there is also a opposite side of the
>story. According to one theory, the religion
>that suffered most during the Islamic invasion
>was mainly Buddhism. Buddhism was an organised
>religion without any defense which was
>completely wiped out. Hinduism survived under
>the caste system. Many Brhamins helped and aided
>the Islamic rulers in the destruction of
>Buddhism. Many Buddhist temples overnite become
>Shiva temples etc. Also the theory says that
>there was actually no forced conversion at all
>from Hindus to Islam. That is why one donot find
>any high caste Hindus being Muslim. All that
>conversion that happened were the low caste
>Hindus and they converted themselves to Islam
>mainly because of the equality that they gained
>under Islam and to avoid the exploitation from
>upper caste Hindus. Today one finds the whole
>of Bangladesh a Islamic country which were at
>one time wholly a Buddhist country. There were
>hardly any Brahmin or any high caste Hindus in
>Bagladesh. In fact the exploited downtrodden
>Hindus were taking shelters from exploitation
>from Hindus upper caste in those three shelter
>religions: namely Buddhism, Islam and
>Christianity.
>
>On the other hand I have heard story of enmass
>village conversion to Islam not by force from
>Islam but due to rejection from the Hindus.
>There story appeared in Prantik magazine in
>Assam, a Brahmin village in Assam was converted
>to Islam because somebody has thrown beef in the
>village well, and Hindus have refused to accept
>the village back as Hindus. The village finally
>had to take to Islam, The Sharmas started to
>write Ahmed overnite etc.
>
>So there may be many sides of the coin, and one
>need to be careful in making any general
>statement before checking the facts.
>Thanks
>Rajen
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>Cc:
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net
>; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani ;
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:28 PM
>Subject: deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
>Sorry for the delay in replying !
>
>
>
>The statement that you referred in your letter
>below came up in a panel discussion in 1989 at
>Harvard University where the manuscript of my
>book "Don't Burn My Mother!" was discussed in a
>movie script-writing course. (By the way, I got
>an A in that course ! My added benefit was that
>I got to see a number of classic movies with
>commentaries & discussions at the Harvard
>University Movie Club --- those were a few
>wonderful months for me !)
>
>
>
>Unfortunately, 17 years later now, I don't
>remember the name of the history scholar who
>made that statement. It was my fault that I did
>not follow it up to find it in historical
>reference or book or article written by any
>historians. I'll now dig it up and let you know.
>
>
>
>Normally, I furnish a word "assumption" before
>such statements, which you may have noticed in
>my other writings. IF I miss, please let
>me know, I'll correct immediately ! All
>historical facts must be supported by
>cross-reference, according to the principle of
>historical studies. I really apologize for
>missing the word "assumption" before this
>statement. I thank you for correcting me.
>
>
>
>In this connection, I urge the netters to ponder
>over the story that Lachit beheaded his own
>uncle for lapse of duty in the Battle of
>Saraighat and uttered the famous slogan:
>"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not
>greater than my country) --- this statement was
>boldly etched at the entrance of the Assam
>Assembly Hall in Shillong when Shillong was the
>capital of Assam.
>
>
>
>Now, I have heard that some people have raised
>serious objection that this statement cannot be
>accepted as historical truth due to lack of
>cross-reference. The netters may throw some
>light on this.
>
>
>
>Throughout my life, I grew up with
>Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" , and
>it pained me beyond any consolation that I could
>not include "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" in
>my article ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO because some
>historian would object. However, in spite of all
>precautions, the idea of ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO
>and the idea of the statue of Swargadev
>Chakradhwaj Singha were rejected on the grounds
>that the bridge would encourage garbage dumping,
>the statue would be a sore thumb, the existing
>white pillar is an excellent "ABSTRACT" element,
>the statue of Swargadev Chakradhwaj Singha
>would be ugly, what they did in their time is
>fine --- we need not build any sako (bridge) or
>statue to commemorate them ------ and a hoard
>of many other "wise" comments.
>
>
>
>I request the netters to find out the historical
>truth about Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar
>nahoi" and advice me if I can include it in a
>revised version of the article ATAN BURAGOHAIN
>SAKO .
>
>
>
>With the best wishes,
>
>Himendra
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>; <mailto:shntikamhaz at gmail.com>Shantikam
>Hazarika
>Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:17 AM
>Subject: invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains by Muslims
>
> >On January 29, 2006, I clearly wrote in the
>net that To protect a family during the early
>period of invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains, if a
>family of had five >brothers, two would take
>conversion to Islam to protect the remaining
>three.
>
>Dear Himen-da:
>I just want to ask you one question. Do you have
>any proof of the above statement?
>If yes, can you support with any historical
>reference or book or article written by any
>historians?
>I never heard such statement from any quarter.
>So it is very important that we absolutely find
>the truth
>Rajen.
>
>
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