[Assam] Acute inferiorty complex IC

[Ram Sarangapani]

C'da,

 >*** Ooh! I can sense some hurt feelings here. But Ram, Rajen WAS right.
You spoke for Himendra Thakur, who pulled the rug right out from under your
feet to save his own skin :).

Hurt? No. But I was singularly struck by self-righteous. Is there a rule in
Assamnet that one cannot pass comments on a ongoing discussion?
What if my comments looked like supporting you or Barua? Would that have
been OK?

And what is this about "disrespect"? Whether I spoke for or against Himen da
is of absolutely no consequence here.
When I wrote what I wrote, I did not think of Himen da or others. I wrote
what I thought was valid - and WITHOUT an AGENDA.

>I do NOT believe the Oxomiya bhaxa was a progeny of Sanskrit. Even without
Rajen's very well written arguments I would not have believed that. But
Rajen's arguments, the best I >have seen thus far, has removed any doubt I
may have admitted to.

That is fine. But there is big difference here. I sense (could be wrong)
what Barua is wanting to prove:
In short - Pali (read Buddhism) - ....... Assamese
In your case, Pali .(no Indian influence)...... Assamese (Independent Assam)

I pay little attention to proofs that have predetermined paths. In fact,
today, I came across a number of articles etc which indicate it was
Sanskrit. But it doesn't matter. If it makes you and Barua happy that
Assamese landed from heaven - so be it

>I love his incisive inquisitiveness that has suddenly come to life :-)),
what are you who dread the lungi-menace are doing about it, or think ought
to be done about it, by WHOM, >and WHY is it NOT being done by those who are
responsible, have the authority and the resources?

Yeah right. A few more of these incisive inquistiveness, and I was about to
convert to Buddhism. And about the "Lungi Menace" you keep referring, I had
already indicated - I doesn't matter if the illegals are hordes of brahmins
coming across. The fact is they are "ILLEGALS" and that if why they must be
deported.

Will this problem be stemmed? - not a ghost of a chance -and whether Assam
is Independent or not. The illegal B'deshi have lots of friends in Assam and
other places.

 >And to be cruelly forthright, YES, those who harbor the notion that the
Oxomiya bhaxa was sired by Sanskrit ought to be dismissed, marginalized and
given no 'prosroy' what-so->ever :-).

And absolutely so - even if they have some proof. After all who cares for
any of that - all we need is to set a goalpost and we can chart the course
easily.

More later.

--Ram


On 3/12/06, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:

>  Hi Ram:
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> Hi C'da,
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> At the risk of violating exclusivity rights as claimed by some, I will
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>  *** Ooh! I can sense some hurt feelings here. But Ram, Rajen WAS right.
> You spoke for Himendra Thakur, who pulled the rug right out from under your
> feet to save his own skin :).
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> > but I hope that responsibility has NOT ONLY been bestowed on a few
> select people, who
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>  *** Hey, why worry about them self-appointed 'select few'? Tell us what
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>  *** Are you asking me that question Ram with a hope for an answer to help
> you out or was it a rhetorical question?  But, betting against the odds that
> you DID ask for MY answer, here it is: NO Ram. I do NOT believe the Oxomiya
> bhaxa was a progeny of Sanskrit. Even without Rajen's very well written
> arguments I would not have believed that. But Rajen's arguments, the best I
> have seen thus far, has removed any doubt I may have admitted to.
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> And to be cruelly forthright, YES, those who harbor the notion that the
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> bhaxa was sired by Sanskrit ought to be dismissed, marginalized and given
> no 'prosroy' what-so-ever :-).
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> > IMHO, B'deshi illegal influx is a bigger threat to the very existence of
> Assam.
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>  *** I read you loud and clear on that Ram. And you have company with HT.
> But I beg to differ. And I am certain , I too have company. * But the big
> question remains, as aptly asked by Rajen ( he has been on a roll--I love
> his incisive inquisitiveness that has suddenly come to life :-)), what are
> you who dread the lungi-menace are doing about it, or think ought to be done
> about it, by WHOM, and WHY is it NOT being done by those who are
> responsible, have the authority and the resources? What do you all propose
> to do about holding those who are derelict in their duties? And pray HOW?*
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> and courageous person I like to think you are, ( as opposed to those who run
> like the devil and attempt to hide from them) will share your ideas about
> resolving it :-).
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> >"Assamese people have inferiority complex because they choose to
> Sanskritize  ---- blah, blah" its just flabbergasting.  I don't understand
> what IC has to do with any of this.
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> >Suddenly Assamnet is full of psychologists, socialogists and lingusitic
> experts who know >exactly why, how and where the language development should
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>  *** I will give you a SOME support on that. As I said, I am not buying
> the IC thingie in its entirety. But there is truth to the perception that
> certain children of important gods, the keepers of all knowledge by divine
> rights, do have a soft corner for Sanskrit, some overtly and others
> covertly. Will you dispute that Ram :-)?
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> BTW, Tilok Daktor may take umbrage over your hostility to mind readers and
> shrinks, regardless of whether they have always been around in assam-net, or
> have suddenly appeared from nowhere, a-la 'boiboswa Manu' :-).
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>  *** No such disclaimers are need Ram.. We have an idea who do know a
> thing or two about it, who don't, and who plead no-comprendo, if not hide,
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> >But those who do so, need to be aware that they would need to defend
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>  MORE? Geez Ram! Any more will have to be a blood-bath. I would submit
> these have been about as passionate as they could be without resorting to
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> >If the Assamnet is a an open forum, then people ought not to have
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>  *** Hey, why are you threatening ME with such stuff :-)? Didn't I come to
> your defense? But Rajen DID have a point about YOUR speaking for HT.
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>  *** Really? WHAT was the tough question Ram? Did I miss it ?
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>  *** Now, now Ram! Let us not wear that halo of victim-hood without a good
> reason. Imagine what will happen to the net when you and I shut up! Do you
> really want to see that happen? It is our god(?)-given duty to keep the
> 'tunh-jui' going Ram. Can't let you go on flimsy grounds. People like you or
> I cannot claim 'hurt-feelings'. Our feelings have long been deadened, or so
> I thought, haven't they :-)?
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> asserting them to stave off an invasion by Indian --read Hindi/Hindu >--
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> Preserving Assam's unique language, culture, linguistic traditions are
> great, but I hope that responsibility has NOT ONLY been bestowed on a few
> select people, who are claiming that "There is an Indian Invasion".
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> threat to the very existence of Assam. You and others may not choose to
> believe so, and may think the bigger threat is INDIA. But its a different
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> Of course Indian (mainland???) does have an influence on Assam, its
> culture etc. I don't deny that. I am not even sure is its good or bad.
> Assuming its all bad, what is your solution? As long as Assam remains a part
> of India, and as long as many Assamese watch Indian movies, tuned to songs,
> dances from the yonder, I don't see how you are going to solve that. Once
> Assam become free, maybe, it could be thought along those lines.
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> Lastly, I do believe that when one starts claiming  things like "Assamese
> people have inferiority complex because they choose to Sanskritize  ----
> blah, blah" its just flabbergasting.  I don't understand what IC has to do
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> Suddenly Assamnet is full of psychologists, socialogists and lingusitic
> experts who know exactly why, how and where the language development should
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> As for simple me, I am not hung up on X, S or whether Sanskrit came from
> Assamese or the other way around, or not at all. I don't claim or give an
> impression that  I am the resident expert here by any means.
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> But those who do so, need to be aware that they would need to defend their
> arguments more ardently, be less sensitive, and these can well come an from
> ignoramus like me and not perceive as threats.
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> If the Assamnet is a an open forum, then people ought not to have problems
> with anyone with opposing views. I take a very dim view of those who cloak
> their frustrations (inability to respond to tough questions) by finding some
> other excuse. If the net is NOT open, then as I said before, this ain't the
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> --Ram
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> On 3/12/06,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> At 11:56 AM -0600 3/11/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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> context of these discussions and debates have been Assam's attempts at
> preserving its unique ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions and
> asserting them to stave off an invasion by Indian --read Hindi/Hindu --
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> If I read correctly, Himen-da too is an advocate of promoting and
> preserving Assam's ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions, but hotly
> disputes the fear of Indian domination and subjugation, just as you and
> Alpana and others do. In fact Himen-da goes to ridiculous lengths to imply
> that Assam is India's 'poitrik xompotti' ( ancestral property). But there is
> a dichotomy here:* One cannot tout a need for preserving and asserting
> those Oxomiya ethnic, cultural and linguistic traditions, unless there is a
> threat for it from somewhere.* I know Himen-da, Alpana, yourself and
> others would like to suggest it is B'deshi immigrants and not Indian
> influences, whether intentional ( as in the GoI policy of Indianization) or
> a fallout of commercial invasion or immigration from other states of people
> with power, economic as well as governmental. You would argue 'how can there
> be a threat from India ?' since Assam is a part of India, and Himen-da will
> assert 'Assam is India--and India is Assam'.  But to anyone who is even
> minimally informed of the realities  know that these are highly unpersuasive
> stances. These are  attempts to have it both ways - be it intentional or
> accidental ( result of not thinking  thru the factors carefully enough).
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> interpreted as an attempt to assert India's ancient rights over Assam, one
> of its defining characteristics, its language, having been given by Indians
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> be made, as Himen-da agrees and you do just like Rajen argues, then this
> need to Sanskritize Oxomiya words indicates an IC on the part of the
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> a good case and I agree with some of it, it is a far more complex issue and
> I don't buy the idea of an Oxomiya IC as the CAUSE of Assam's condition, as
> is often IMPLIED here in these debates by those who would place all blame
> for Assam's condition on its feet -- as if it is all Assam's own damn fault
> --, and give Indian colonialism a free pass; as an argument to DENY
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> If Assamese is being Sankritized,  would that be a scary scenario for
> some? If so, why are they scared? Don't they have the confidence that the
> language is and always has been strong from these onslaughts?
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> Look at English. One of the reasons its so popular is because it borrows
> heavily from many languages (many Indian ones included), and the language is
> ever evolving with inclusions of even words from American rap music.
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> language will be diluted because the English language resorts to constantly
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> of writing some words from other languages - that only makes the language
> richer and becomes inclusive. The option of writing a word like Dex in other
> forms (des or desh) might indicate that the language is not just inclusive
> but also has several "accepatble" ways of writing certain words. Isn't that
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> I am no expert in these matters, and could be totally off base - but these
> are my thoughts for the moment and am willing to change them if I could be
> convinced. AKN should really weigh in this.
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> On 3/11/06,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> last part of an address; is poetic and beautiful, as opposed to the commonly
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> Himenda's attempts to Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases, demonstrates
> his own insecurity and inferiority complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to
> Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He even writes 'desh', as in
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> purported quote 'dexotokoi mwmai dangor nohoy', which when I aired last time
> in assamnet several years back, drew howls of protest from Oxomiyas who
> accepted the act as one of 'heroism'. Will take that up again when I get a
> little time. In the meantime, those with tender sensitivities may consider
> bracing themselves for another round of assaults to their psyches. I am
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> Dear Himen-da:
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>   Thanks for your note.
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> Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority complex' (written as IC
> henceforth) I have been saying this for decades now. This is something one
> can only feel or realize seeing the day to day actions of the Assamese
> people as a group on national or international level. First we will have to
> 'recognize the fact that we have this IC. >From my side I can write a essay
> citing examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not like to agree with
> me. To them I will simply ask to either counter my arguments or give me some
> examples whereby we can say that Assamese are not suffering from IC.
> However, I don't exactly understand when you say we need to discuss this in
> the net. What we can achieve by discussing this in the net? And I think we
> have discussed this issue many times in the net.  This is something we can
> remove by our leaders first by getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then
> educating the people by their actions. (*Please note that we use the net
> not to solve problems but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test our
> idea's. From that angle the net is a very cruel sounding borad. It will hit
> one back and may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.)*
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> Regarding the slogan *"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"**  * I would not like
> to equate this unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma simply because
> it will not serve any purpose unless of course one is trying to make poor
> Lasit an Assamese Krishna.  I think we should not try to defend or justify
> Lasit more than what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact and let us
> try to utilize this fact to the advantage of the future of the Assamese.
> (BTW please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese phonetics in Roman
> script in the net as opposed to your Sanskritised transliteration writing.
> So we would write the phrase more like  * 'dexotkoi mwmai dangor nohoy'*.
> May explain details later. )
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> Regarding your other  slogan* "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh
> shari",* all I can say is that so far I know this is a personal statement
> (a philosophical quote one may say) being used by Priyanku Sarma in the net.
> Here again please note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese ethnic
> spelling as :* Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari...,* and not what
> you spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if there is anything more
> to its meaning, Priyanku can respond.
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> Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona ', I think you are trying
> too hard to find the meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note that this
> is a simple Assamese word, and many a times, the same word may mean slightly
> different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We should try to use the Assamese
> meaning. From that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word, meaning'conception' or 'idea' or 'comment'etc. The meaning is clear when we say the Assamese sentence
> * "Ei ghotonatw xomporke twmar ki dharona baru?"* Some netters like Alpana
> and others probably may give you better sentence using the Assamese word*'dharona'
> * .  Anyhow the full meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be :* A country
> is nothing an idea which is only required to use as a last phrase in one's
> address.*    In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam type) quote, and I can
> write volumes in support of this poetic or philosophical statement.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* Himendra Thakur <hthakur at comcast.net>
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> *To:* Barua25 <barua25 at hotmail.com>
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> *Cc:* Manoj Das <dasmk2k at gmail.com> ; J Kalita <jugalkalita at yahoo.com> ; Indrajit
> Barua <ibarua at yahoo.com> ; hthakur at comcast.net ; Ginima Barua<shivadoul at yahoo.com>; Dilip/Dil
> Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> ; Alpana B. Sarangapani<absarangapani at hotmail.com>;
> assam at assamnet.org
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> *Sent:* Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:32 AM
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> *Subject:* Acute inferiorty complex
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> Dear Rajen,
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> Thanks for your letter. The points that you have raised in this letter
> should definitely be discussed in the net.
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> *But, I think what you so correctly said on March 5, 2006 "**Assamese are
> already suffering from acute inferiorty complex"**     should be given to
> PRIORITY in the discussion in the assam-net.*
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> I congratulate you for pointing out this terrible thing "inferiorty
> complex" and most earnestly request you to run a discussion on this point
> in the net. I am trying to start this discussion by quoting Lachit's*"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"
> * (My uncle is not greater than my country)".
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> The slogan* "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"* (My uncle is not greater than
> my country)" is actually a re-statement of what Lord Shrikrishna stated in
> Bhagavadgita. Killing of grand-uncle Bhishma at the "Declared Battle of
> Kurukshetra"  was justified by Lord Shrikrishna to establish righteousness.
> The word "righteousness" is the translation of the word "dharma" of the
> verses 7&8 Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita.
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> When Lachit said* "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"* (My uncle is not greater
> than my country)", he was using the word* "desha"* to mean a Motherland
> whose defense was our righteous right. What Lachit said at the spur of the
> moment appears like a "slogan" to us. This may give some answer to the
> objection of Jugal Kalita [I apologize if I misunderstood him] about
> slogans.
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> Another slogan is floating in the net* "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar
> shesh shari"* --- I am finding it difficult to translate this into English
> because the meaning of the word "* dharana"* is not clear to me. I see "*
> dharana*" as the sixth step of Patanjali's Ashtanga Yoga: (1) Yama,
> (2)Niyama, (3) Asana,  (4) Pranayama, (5) Pratyahara, (6)Dharana, (7)
> Dhyana, and  (8) Samadhi.
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> The propounder of the slogan* "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh
> shari"* should give the meaning of the word* "dharana"*and explain why*"dharana"
> * has been equated with* "desha".* Correct me if I am wrong, I think the
> slogans like  *"desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari"* are
> generating the* acute inferiorty complex"**  *that you pointed out.
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> The propounder & supporters of the slogan* "desh matho eta dharana,
> thikanar shesh shari"*  should come forward to compare it with  Lachit's*"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi".
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> In my opinion, Lachit's* "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"* will expel theacute inferiorty complex --- a new, unwanted twist of Assamese mind --- that you so correctly pointed
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> With the best wishes,
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> Himendra
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* Barua25 <barua25 at hotmail.com>
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> *To:* Himendra Thakur <hthakur at comcast.net>
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> *Cc:* hthakur at comcast.net ; Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> ; Manoj
> Das <dasmk2k at gmail.com> ; assam at assamnet.org
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> *Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:52 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
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> Dear Himenda:
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> Thanks for your response. Glad to know that the book was a part of your
> course.
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> Regarding the historical data of the story, I think you need to have some
> back up. Because it is such a horrifying story, it may give the people a
> completely different picture about Islam. The actual reality however may be
> quite different. The reason I am saying this is because there is also a
> opposite side of the story. According to one theory, the religion that
> suffered most during the Islamic invasion was mainly Buddhism. Buddhism was
> an organised religion without any defense which was completely wiped out.
> Hinduism survived under the caste system. Many Brhamins helped and aided the
> Islamic rulers in the destruction of Buddhism. Many Buddhist temples
> overnite become Shiva temples etc. Also  the theory says that there was
> actually no forced conversion at all from Hindus to Islam. That is why one
> donot find any high caste Hindus being Muslim. All that conversion that
> happened were the low caste Hindus and they converted themselves to Islam
> mainly because of the equality that they gained under Islam and to avoid the
> exploitation from upper caste Hindus.  Today one finds the whole of
> Bangladesh a Islamic country which were at one time wholly a Buddhist
> country. There were hardly any Brahmin or any high caste Hindus in
> Bagladesh. In fact the exploited downtrodden Hindus were taking shelters
> from exploitation from Hindus upper caste in those three shelter religions:
> namely Buddhism, Islam and Christianity.
>
>
>
>
> On the other hand I have heard story of enmass village conversion to Islam
> not by force from Islam but due to rejection from the Hindus. There story
> appeared in Prantik magazine in Assam, a Brahmin village in Assam was
> converted to Islam because somebody has thrown beef in the village well, and
> Hindus have refused to accept the village back as Hindus. The village
> finally had to take to Islam, The Sharmas started to write Ahmed overnite
> etc.
>
>
>
> So there may be many sides of the coin, and one need to be careful in
> making any general statement before checking the facts.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rajen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Himendra Thakur <hthakur at comcast.net>
>
> *To:* Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>
> *Cc:* hthakur at comcast.net ; Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> ; Manoj
> Das <dasmk2k at gmail.com> ; assam at assamnet.org
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:28 PM
>
> *Subject:* deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
>
>
> Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
> Sorry for the delay in replying !
>
>
>
> The statement that you referred in your letter below came up in a panel
> discussion in 1989 at Harvard University where the manuscript of my book
> "Don't Burn My Mother!" was discussed in a movie script-writing course. (By
> the way, I got an A in that course ! My added benefit was that I got to see
> a number of classic movies with commentaries & discussions  at the Harvard
> University Movie Club --- those were a few wonderful months for me !)
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, 17 years later now, I don't remember the name of the
> history scholar who made that statement. It was my fault that I did not
> follow it up to find it in historical reference or book or article written
> by any historians. I'll now dig it up and let you know.
>
>
>
> Normally, I furnish a word "assumption" before such statements, which you
> may have noticed in my other writings.*   IF  *   I miss, please let me
> know, I'll correct immediately ! All historical facts must be supported by
> cross-reference, according to the principle of historical studies. I really
> apologize for missing the word "assumption" before this statement. I thank
> you for correcting me.
>
>
>
> In this connection, I urge the netters to ponder over the ?story? that
> Lachit beheaded his own uncle for lapse of duty in the Battle of Saraighat
> and uttered the famous slogan:* "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"* (My uncle
> is not greater than my country) --- this statement was boldly etched at the
> entrance of the Assam Assembly Hall in Shillong when Shillong was the
> capital of Assam.
>
>
>
>
> Now, I have heard that some people have raised serious objection that this
> statement cannot be accepted as historical truth due to lack of
> cross-reference. The netters may throw some light on this.
>
>
>
> Throughout my life, I grew up with Lachit's  *"deshatkoi momai dangar
> nohoi"* , and it pained me beyond any consolation that I could not include
> * "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"*  in my article ?ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO?
> because some historian would object. However, in spite of all precautions,
> the idea of ?ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO? and the idea of the statue of Swargadev
> Chakradhwaj Singha were rejected on the grounds that the bridge would
> encourage garbage dumping, the statue would be a sore thumb, the existing
> white pillar is  an excellent "ABSTRACT" element, the statue of Swargadev
> Chakradhwaj Singha  would be ugly, *?what they did in their time is fine
> --- we need not build any* sako* (bridge) or statue to commemorate them?*------ and a hoard of many other "wise" comments.
>
>
>
> I request the netters to find out the historical truth about Lachit's  *"deshatkoi
> momai dangar nahoi"* and advice me if I can include it in a revised
> version of the article ?ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO? .
>
>
>
> With the best wishes,
>
> Himendra
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>
> *To:* Himendra Thakur <hthakur at comcast.net> ; Shantikam Hazarika<shntikamhaz at gmail.com>
>
> *Cc:* assam at assamnet.org
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:17 AM
>
> *Subject:* invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains by Muslims
>
>
> >On January 29, 2006, I clearly wrote in the net that ?To protect a family
> during the early period of invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains, if a family of
> had five >brothers, two would take conversion to Islam to protect the
> remaining three.
>
>
>
>
> Dear Himen-da:
>
> I just want to ask you one question. Do you have any proof of the above
> statement?
>
> If yes, can you support with any historical reference or book or article
> written by any historians?
>
> I never heard such statement from any quarter. So it is very important
> that we absolutely find the truth
>
> Rajen.
>
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