[Assam] Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC

Chan Mahanta cmahanta at charter.net
Mon Mar 13 05:41:48 PST 2006


>Sumant ?



The name is Sumanta, pronounced Xumonto.






At 11:28 PM -0500 3/12/06, Himendra Thakur wrote:
>Dear Rajen,
>
>Where can I find the dictionary written by 
>Engineer Sumant Chaliha? That will be a great 
>help.
>
>If I missed replying to your questions, that 
>must have been an oversight on my part for which 
>I apologize. Kindly send me the questions if you 
>do not mind. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
>
>With the best wishes,
>Himendra
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>Cc: <mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ; 
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B. 
>Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ; 
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ; 
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo 
>sarma ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:04 PM
>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC
>
>  >I did not "drag" Assam Sahitya Sabha into it 
>--- I sincerely believed that Assam Sahitya 
>Sabha had some position in >this spelling 
>problem.
>
>For your information, ASS never approved any 
>standardization of Assamese transliteration 
>ever.  So when you ask the question, has the new 
>system been approved by ASS, I would say, they 
>never did even the old system. So now you know 
>that it is not a good idea to approacj ASS for 
>guidance. Let them live in haven with their 
>ornamental positions.  So far Assamese spelling 
>is concverned, our Engineer Sumant Chaliha wrote 
>a dictionary recently which is being claimed as 
>an athority on this.  So it is always 
>individuals against org who actually do the work.
>
>  >our real priority problem is losing the land, 
>Bangladesh swallowing Assam with the help 
>from Assamese betrayers --->problem aggravated 
>by the acute inferiority complex that you 
>identified ----  this is such a huge problem 
>that >everything else appear small.
>
>Let us go with you on the above. If you really 
>think this is the problem, then we need to 
>address it correctly. If you remember we 
>discussed about this problem. So far I remember, 
>you were supposed to respond to my questions on 
>this which you never did. That is very important 
>so that we can go to the root of the problem.
>
>  >As for the spelling of my Assamese words in 
>the net, I appeal to the netters to correct me 
>whenever I make a >mistake. That's how I'll be 
>able to learn the new spelling system.
>
>So far as the net is concerned, nobody here 
>claim to be an authority. Nobody is saying you 
>are wrong. In fact we are all trying to evolve a 
>standardization system of transliteration of the 
>Assamese phonetics. Frankly speaking we found 
>that the existing system, if there is one, is no 
>good for Assamese. So we are on our own.  We 
>look forward to your positive contribution. In 
>fact we can start with Priyankus transliteration 
>and yours. Now that we all know where we are, 
>would you like to comment on this whether you 
>think yours is correct or Priyanku's. I think 
>that will be a good starting point.
>
>Rajen
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>Cc: <mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ; 
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B. 
>Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ; 
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ; 
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo 
>sarma ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:27 PM
>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>I did not reject Priyanku's way of writing" --- 
>what happened was that I could not find his 
>material in my computer and I rewrote it to save 
>time --- and my spellings came out to be as bad 
>as what Phulda (Jnanananda Sharma Pathak --- 
>we call him by his nickname "Phulda") did with 
>the old style of spelling in his article in the 
>Assam Tribune today !!
>
>I did not "drag" Assam Sahitya Sabha into it --- 
>I sincerely believed that Assam Sahitya 
>Sabha had some position in this spelling 
>problem. As for me, I'll go by whatever people 
>ask me to do on these kind of matters --- so far 
>as I am concerned, our real prority problem is 
>losing the land, Bangladesh swallowing Assam 
>with the help from Assamese betrayers 
>--- problem aggravated by the acute inferiority 
>complex that you identified ----  this is such a 
>huge problem that everything else appear small.
>
>As for the spelling of my Assamese words in the 
>net, I appeal to the netters to correct me 
>whenever I make a mistake. That's how I'll be 
>able to learn the new spelling system.
>
>With love to everybody,
>Himendra  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  and changed to Sanskrit transliteration which 
>we will still like to hear from you
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>Cc: 
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo 
>sarma ; <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ; 
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ; 
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ; 
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B. 
>Sarangapani ; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram 
>Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:53 PM
>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC
>
>Dear Himenda:
>Thanks for your response. I was holding not to 
>respond to you based on Ram's comments because I 
>did not know if agree to his view. As I can see 
>now, your reason for his Sanskritization was 
>unintentional. That leaves room for our future 
>discussion on the subject in a rational manner. 
>I am sure we can discuss this separately later.
>
>Regarding the Assamese transliteration, if you 
>will remember, the question arose only because 
>you changed the Priyankus transliteration while 
>quoting him:
>
>Priyanku wrote: Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari...,
>You wrote:        Desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari
>and asked him to expalin.
>We are still trying to figure out why you 
>rejected Priyanku's way of writing and changed 
>to Sanskrit transliteration which we will still 
>like to hear from you.
>
>Please donot try to drag ASS into this business 
>which is not theirs. I don't know if you know it 
>or not, during the last 70 years, ASS has been a 
>completely non productive organization so far 
>any contribution to the Assamese language or 
>even the unity of the Assamese is concerned. It 
>has not contributed anything either in 
>standarding the  Assamese spellings or 
>standardizing the Roman transliteration etc. 
>Now ex ASS President is wrongly claiming the 
>word ASSAM is a British coin word which it is 
>not. He also is claiming that the letter S can 
>represent the Assanese guttural X sound which it 
>does not. ASS even shy away from coming up a 
>good definition of the Assamese.  I think ASS 
>has turned into an intellectually defunct org 
>and the highest epitome of Assamese IC. So do 
>you really believe that anybody can expect 
>anything effective from ASS. In my opinion, ASS 
>is a highly politicized ornamental org just for 
>its name which has actually dividing the 
>Assamese community into Tai-Ahom, Bodo, Tiwa 
>etc. Whatever contribution is being made to the 
>Assamese language and literature during the last 
>70 years, is being made due to 
>individual contributions of some dedicated 
>people who are determined to stay outside ASS (I 
>mean people like Bhabendra Nath Saikia 
>etc). Also you probably know the ongoing debate 
>for the proper Roman script spelling of the word 
>for (O+DontiyoXO+MO) = OXOM. Have you so far 
>seen any contribution from ASS at all on the 
>subject? 
>
>In view of above, if you are honest to yourself 
>and want to really make any contribution to the 
>land of your birth, please donot try to name 
>these big sounding organizations. Do it on your 
>own like so many Assamese people who have done 
>before without getting into official sanctions 
>of ASS. Otherwise if you too are after just for 
>the name, please go ahead, the netters will 
>understand your position.
>
>Please don't worry about me being influenced by 
>Chandan. We are all too matured to be influenced 
>by anybody. We have our own strong views. Please 
>take it that when I write something, it is 
>coming from my heart with 100 honesty and 
>sincereity and conviction. These questions are 
>coming from me, and I hope you will respond with 
>same honesty and sincereity
>Thanks
>Rajen
>
>
>---- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>Cc: 
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo 
>sarma ; <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ; 
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ; 
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ; 
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B. 
>Sarangapani ; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram 
>Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:37 PM
>Subject: Acute inferiorty complex
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
>I am a little late in replying to your letter 
>---once again --- I hope you will not mind. I 
>had to work on another deadline somewhere else. 
>I also had to attend a friend’s family who ran 
>into a bereavement.
>
>
>
>I am sorry I made mistakes in the spellings --- 
>in fact, I do not know the new “Assamese 
>phonetics in Roman script” ---- I wrote what I 
>knew, just like what respected Jnanananda Sharma 
>Pathak wrote in the Assam Tribune today in his 
>beautiful article “Mystical Yearnings” about the 
>late Parbotiprasad Barua --- it is difficult to 
>get rid of old habits you grow up with!
>
>
>
>If the  “Assamese phonetics in Roman script” has 
>been accepted by Asom Sahitya Sabha, Guwahati 
>University, Dibrugarh University and other 
>authorities, there should be some books [kindly 
>inform me]  from which I could learn the new 
>spelling system.
>
>
>
>Even then, I may still make a mistake. Please do 
>not be influenced by Chandan Mahanta’s foul 
>suspicion that “Himenda’s attempts to 
>Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases 
>demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority 
>complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to 
>Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He 
>even writes 'desh', as in deshotkoi', etc.” I do 
>not know how the netters will digest Chandan 
>Mahanta’s brickbats like “Did Lasit Borphukan 
>speak Sanskrit?”
>
>
>
>As for my spelling mistakes, I appeal to the 
>netters to please correct me whenever you find 
>an error.
>
>
>
>The subject of my letter to you was the huge 
>concern that you so appropriately pointed out in 
>the net on March 5 about the “Acute Inferiority 
>Complex of  the Assamese ” --- [I did not know 
>that this was discussed in the net before] --- 
>this is now overshadowed by another discussion 
>of Sanskritization, which is opposed by many 
>netters.
>
>
>
>Under the main topic of the “Acute Inferiority 
>Complex of  the Assamese ” , I was appealing to 
>the netters to discuss these two slogans:
>
>
>
>(1) Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari -------by Priyanku Sharma
>
>(2) Dexotkoi mwmai dangor nohoy --------------------- by Lasit Borphukan
>
>
>
>The #2 was uttered by Lasit in the heat of a 
>battle, but it became a slogan later on.  I 
>agree with you that “Let us leave it a 
>historical fact and let us try to utilize this 
>fact to the advantage of the future of the 
>Assamese.”
>
>
>
>About the #1 above, I thank you for clarifying 
>that “Priyanku's quote will be : A country is 
>nothing an idea which is only required to use as 
>a last phrase in one's address.  In fact I like 
>this poetic (Omor Khyam type) quote, and I can 
>write volumes in support of this poetic or 
>philosophical statement.”
>
>
>
>I also thank Dilip Deka for his clarification 
>“The proper translation would be, "Country is 
>just a concept, the last line of a 
>street address."
>
>
>
>Those who feel bound to the borders of a country 
>also accept the borders of village, city, state, 
>and province. Do these borders mean anything? It 
>is nothing but an attempt to keep out those who 
>are not like you and that is demented.
>
>Looking at the positive side, national or 
>regional pride, and the diversity associated 
>with it add color to life. If the whole world 
>adopts one way say american way of life and its 
>culture, life itself would become dull.”
>
>
>
>In #2 above, dex (the country) is held above 
>family relations, whereas in #1, dex (the 
>country) is degraded to something which is only 
>required to use as a last phrase in one's 
>address  or to something that will be just  "the 
>last line of a street address."
>
>
>
>This idea appeals to young people as it did to 
>the “flower children” of the 1960s who talked 
>about the “Those who feel bound to the borders 
>of a country also accept the borders of village, 
>city, state, and province. Do these borders mean 
>anything?” In the 1960s,  growing in the 
>aftermath of the Second World War where 30 
>million people died, growing under the shadow of 
>the Korea War and Vietnam War, young people 
>revolted and took that line of thinking. 
>
>
>
>I request the netters to discuss whether #2 is 
>an expression of "Positive Self-confidence", 
>whereas the #1 opens a door to “Acute 
>Inferiority Complex of  the Assamese ”.
>
>
>
>With love to everybody,
>
>Himendra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>Cc: <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:jugalkalita at yahoo.com>J Kalita ; 
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ; 
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net 
>; <mailto:shivadoul at yahoo.com>Ginima Barua ; 
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ; 
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B. 
>Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:16 AM
>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex IC
>
>Dear Himen-da:
>Thanks for your note.
>Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority 
>complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been 
>saying this for decades now. This is something 
>one can only feel or realize seeing the day to 
>day actions of the Assamese people as a group on 
>national or international level. First we will 
>have to 'recognize the fact that we have this 
>IC. From my side I can write a essay citing 
>examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not 
>like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask 
>to either counter my arguments or give me some 
>examples whereby we can say that Assamese are 
>not suffering from IC. However, I don't exactly 
>understand when you say we need to discuss this 
>in the net. What we can achieve by discussing 
>this in the net? And I think we have discussed 
>this issue many times in the net.  This is 
>something we can remove by our leaders first by 
>getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then 
>educating the people by their actions. (Please 
>note that we use the net not to solve problems 
>but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test 
>our idea's. From that angle the net is a very 
>cruel sounding borad. It will hit one back and 
>may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.)
>
>Regarding the slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar 
>nohoi"  I would not like to equate this 
>unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma 
>simply because it will not serve any purpose 
>unless of course one is trying to make poor 
>Lasit an Assamese Krishna.  I think we should 
>not try to defend or justify Lasit more than 
>what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact 
>and let us try to utilize this fact to the 
>advantage of the future of the Assamese. (BTW 
>please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese 
>phonetics in Roman script in the net as opposed 
>to your Sanskritised transliteration writing. So 
>we would write the phrase more like  'dexotkoi 
>mwmai dangor nohoy'. May explain details later. )
>
>Regarding your other  slogan "desh matho eta 
>dharana, thikanar shesh shari", all I can say is 
>that so far I know this is a personal statement 
>(a philosophical quote one may say) being used 
>by Priyanku Sarma in the net. Here again please 
>note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese 
>ethnic spelling as : Dex matho eta 
>dharona, thikonar xex xari..., and not what you 
>spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if 
>there is anything more to its meaning, Priyanku 
>can respond.
>
>Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona', 
>I think you are trying too hard to find the 
>meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note 
>that this is a simple Assamese word, and many a 
>times, the same word may mean slightly 
>different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We 
>should try to use the Assamese meaning. From 
>that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word, 
>meaning 'conception' or 'idea' or 'comment' etc. 
>The meaning is clear when we say the Assamese 
>sentence "Ei ghotonatw xomporke twmar ki dharona 
>baru?" Some netters like Alpana and others 
>probably may give you better sentence using the 
>Assamese word 'dharona'.  Anyhow the full 
>meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be : A 
>country is nothing an idea which is only 
>required to use as a last phrase in one's 
>address.  In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam 
>type) quote, and I can write volumes in support 
>of this poetic or philosophical statement.
>
>Hope this will make some clarifications. More later.
>Thanks
>Rajen
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>Cc: <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:jugalkalita at yahoo.com>J Kalita ; 
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ; 
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net 
>; <mailto:shivadoul at yahoo.com>Ginima Barua ; 
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ; 
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B. 
>Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:32 AM
>Subject: Acute inferiorty complex
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>Thanks for your letter. The points that you have 
>raised in this letter should definitely be 
>discussed in the net.
>
>But, I think what you so correctly said on March 
>5, 2006 "Assamese are already suffering from 
>acute inferiorty complex"   should be given to 
>PRIORITY in the discussion in the assam-net.
>
>I congratulate you for pointing out this 
>terrible thing "inferiorty complex" and most 
>earnestly request you to run a discussion on 
>this point in the net. I am trying to start this 
>discussion by quoting Lachit's "deshatkoi momai 
>dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not greater than my 
>country)".
>
>The slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My 
>uncle is not greater than my country)" is 
>actually a re-statement of what Lord Shrikrishna 
>stated in Bhagavadgita. Killing of grand-uncle 
>Bhishma at the "Declared Battle of Kurukshetra" 
> was justified by Lord Shrikrishna to establish 
>righteousness. The word "righteousness" is the 
>translation of the word "dharma" of the verses 
>7&8 Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita.
>
>When Lachit said "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" 
>(My uncle is not greater than my country)", he 
>was using the word "desha" to mean a Motherland 
>whose defense was our righteous right. What 
>Lachit said at the spur of the moment appears 
>like a "slogan" to us. This may give some answer 
>to the objection of Jugal Kalita [I apologize if 
>I misunderstood him] about slogans.
>
>Another slogan is floating in the net "desh 
>matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" --- I 
>am finding it difficult to translate this into 
>English because the meaning of the word 
>"dharana" is not clear to me. I see "dharana" as 
>the sixth step of Patanjali's Ashtanga Yoga: 
>(1) Yama,  (2)Niyama, (3) Asana,  (4) Pranayama, 
>(5) Pratyahara, (6)Dharana, (7) Dhyana, and  (8) 
>Samadhi. 
>
>The propounder of the slogan "desh matho eta 
>dharana, thikanar shesh shari" should give the 
>meaning of the word "dharana"and explain why 
>"dharana" has been equated with "desha". Correct 
>me if I am wrong, I think the slogans like 
> "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" 
>are generating the acute inferiorty 
>complex"  that you pointed out.
>
>The propounder & supporters of the slogan "desh 
>matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari"  should 
>come forward to compare it with  Lachit's 
>"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi".
>
>In my opinion, Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar 
>nohoi" will expel the acute inferiorty complex 
>--- a new, unwanted twist of Assamese mind --- 
>that you so correctly pointed out.
>
>With the best wishes,
>Himendra
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>Cc: 
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net 
>; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:52 PM
>Subject: Re: deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
>
>Dear Himenda:
>Thanks for your response. Glad to know that the 
>book was a part of your course.
>Regarding the historical data of the story, I 
>think you need to have some back up. Because it 
>is such a horrifying story, it may give the 
>people a completely different picture about 
>Islam. The actual reality however may be quite 
>different. The reason I am saying this is 
>because there is also a opposite side of the 
>story. According to one theory, the religion 
>that suffered most during the Islamic invasion 
>was mainly Buddhism. Buddhism was an organised 
>religion without any defense which was 
>completely wiped out. Hinduism survived under 
>the caste system. Many Brhamins helped and aided 
>the Islamic rulers in the destruction of 
>Buddhism. Many Buddhist temples overnite become 
>Shiva temples etc. Also  the theory says that 
>there was actually no forced conversion at all 
>from Hindus to Islam. That is why one donot find 
>any high caste Hindus being Muslim. All that 
>conversion that happened were the low caste 
>Hindus and they converted themselves to Islam 
>mainly because of the equality that they gained 
>under Islam and to avoid the exploitation from 
>upper caste Hindus.  Today one finds the whole 
>of Bangladesh a Islamic country which were at 
>one time wholly a Buddhist country. There were 
>hardly any Brahmin or any high caste Hindus in 
>Bagladesh. In fact the exploited downtrodden 
>Hindus were taking shelters from exploitation 
>from Hindus upper caste in those three shelter 
>religions: namely Buddhism, Islam and 
>Christianity.
>
>On the other hand I have heard story of enmass 
>village conversion to Islam not by force from 
>Islam but due to rejection from the Hindus. 
>There story appeared in Prantik magazine in 
>Assam, a Brahmin village in Assam was converted 
>to Islam because somebody has thrown beef in the 
>village well, and Hindus have refused to accept 
>the village back as Hindus. The village finally 
>had to take to Islam, The Sharmas started to 
>write Ahmed overnite etc.  
>
>So there may be many sides of the coin, and one 
>need to be careful in making any general 
>statement before checking the facts.
>Thanks
>Rajen
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>Cc: 
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net 
>; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani ; 
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:28 PM
>Subject: deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
>Sorry for the delay in replying !
>
>
>
>The statement that you referred in your letter 
>below came up in a panel discussion in 1989 at 
>Harvard University where the manuscript of my 
>book "Don't Burn My Mother!" was discussed in a 
>movie script-writing course. (By the way, I got 
>an A in that course ! My added benefit was that 
>I got to see a number of classic movies with 
>commentaries & discussions  at the Harvard 
>University Movie Club --- those were a few 
>wonderful months for me !)
>
>
>
>Unfortunately, 17 years later now, I don't 
>remember the name of the history scholar who 
>made that statement. It was my fault that I did 
>not follow it up to find it in historical 
>reference or book or article written by any 
>historians. I'll now dig it up and let you know.
>
>
>
>Normally, I furnish a word "assumption" before 
>such statements, which you may have noticed in 
>my other writings.   IF     I miss, please let 
>me know, I'll correct immediately ! All 
>historical facts must be supported by 
>cross-reference, according to the principle of 
>historical studies. I really apologize for 
>missing the word "assumption" before this 
>statement. I thank you for correcting me.
>
>
>
>In this connection, I urge the netters to ponder 
>over the “story” that Lachit beheaded his own 
>uncle for lapse of duty in the Battle of 
>Saraighat and uttered the famous slogan: 
>"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not 
>greater than my country) --- this statement was 
>boldly etched at the entrance of the Assam 
>Assembly Hall in Shillong when Shillong was the 
>capital of Assam.
>
>
>
>Now, I have heard that some people have raised 
>serious objection that this statement cannot be 
>accepted as historical truth due to lack of 
>cross-reference. The netters may throw some 
>light on this.
>
>
>
>Throughout my life, I grew up with 
>Lachit's  "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" , and 
>it pained me beyond any consolation that I could 
>not include "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"  in 
>my article “ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO” because some 
>historian would object. However, in spite of all 
>precautions, the idea of “ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO” 
>and the idea of the statue of Swargadev 
>Chakradhwaj Singha were rejected on the grounds 
>that the bridge would encourage garbage dumping, 
>the statue would be a sore thumb, the existing 
>white pillar is an excellent "ABSTRACT" element, 
>the statue of Swargadev Chakradhwaj Singha 
>would be ugly, “what they did in their time is 
>fine --- we need not build any sako (bridge) or 
>statue to commemorate them” ------ and a hoard 
>of many other "wise" comments.
>
>
>
>I request the netters to find out the historical 
>truth about Lachit's  "deshatkoi momai dangar 
>nahoi" and advice me if I can include it in a 
>revised version of the article “ATAN BURAGOHAIN 
>SAKO” .
>
>
>
>With the best wishes,
>
>Himendra
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur 
>; <mailto:shntikamhaz at gmail.com>Shantikam 
>Hazarika
>Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:17 AM
>Subject: invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains by Muslims
>
>  >On January 29, 2006, I clearly wrote in the 
>net that “To protect a family during the early 
>period of invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains, if a 
>family of had five >brothers, two would take 
>conversion to Islam to protect the remaining 
>three.
>
>Dear Himen-da:
>I just want to ask you one question. Do you have 
>any proof of the above statement?
>If yes, can you support with any historical 
>reference or book or article written by any 
>historians?
>I never heard such statement from any quarter. 
>So it is very important that we absolutely find 
>the truth
>Rajen.
>
>
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