[Assam] Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Mon Mar 13 06:11:30 PST 2006
At 6:00 AM -0800 3/13/06, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
>Should it have been Xumonto Saliha, going by how
>it is pronounced? Was there an oversight? Or is
>"Chaliha" now pronounced as it is written in
>English?
>
>When we are distilling so hard, might as well try for 100% purity. :-)
*** Should have expected the reaction :-).
Names are not as easy to change as the method of
transliterating words in a different language.
'Sumant' is a Hindified Oxomiya name. Like the
push for Sanskritization of Oxomiya words and
names.
>Dilip
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>Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> >Sumant ?
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>The name is Sumanta, pronounced Xumonto.
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>At 11:28 PM -05! 00 3/12/06, Himendra Thakur wrote:
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>>Dear Rajen,
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>Where can I find the dictionary written by
>Engineer Sumant Chaliha? That will be a great
>help.
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>If I missed replying to your questions, that
>must have been an oversight on my part for which
>I apologize. Kindly send me the questions if you
>do not mind. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
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>
>With the best wishes,
>
>Himendra
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>
>Cc: <mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B.
>Sarangapani ;
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ;
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ;
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo
>sarma ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:04 PM
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>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC
>
>
> >I did not "drag" Assam Sahitya Sabha into it
>--- I sincerely believed that Assam ! Sahitya
>Sabha had some position in >this spelling
>problem.
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>For your information, ASS never approved any
>standardization of Assamese transliteration
>ever. So when you ask the question, has the new
>system been approved by ASS, I would say, they
>never did even the old system. So now you know
>that it is not a good idea to approacj ASS for
>guidance. Let them live in haven with their
>ornamental positions. So far Assamese spelling
>is concverned, our Engineer Sumant Chaliha wrote
>a dictionary recently which is being claimed as
>an athority on this. So it is always
>individuals against org who actually do the work.
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> >our real priority problem is losing the land,
>Bangladesh swa! llowing Assam with the help
>from Assamese betrayers --->problem aggravated
>by the acute inferiority complex that you
>identified ---- this is such a huge problem
>that >everything else appear small.
>
>
>
>Let us go with you on the above. If you really
>think this is the problem, then we need to
>address it correctly. If you remember we
>discussed about this problem. So far I remember,
>you were supposed to respond to my questions on
>this which you never did. That is very important
>so that we can go to the root of the problem.
>
>
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> >As for the spelling of my Assamese words in
>the net, I appeal to the netters to correct me
>whenever I make a >mistake. That's how I'll be
>able to learn t! he new spelling system.
>
>
>
>So far as the net is concerned, nobody here
>claim to be an authority. Nobody is saying you
>are wrong. In fact we are all trying to evolve a
>standardization system of transliteration of the
>Assamese phonetics. Frankly speaking we found
>that the existing system, if there is one, is no
>good for Assamese. So we are on our own. We
>look forward to your positive contribution. In
>fact we can start with Priyankus transliteration
>and yours. Now that we all know where we are,
>would you like to comment on this whether you
>think yours is correct or Priyanku's. I think
>that will be a good starting point.
>
>
>
>Rajen
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>
>Cc: <mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B.
>Sarangapani ;
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ;
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ;
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo
>sarma ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:27 PM
>
>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC
>
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
>I did not reject Priyanku's way of writing" ---
>what happened was that I could not find his
>material in my computer and I rewrote it to save
>time --- and my spellings came out to be as bad
>as what Phulda (Jnanananda Sharma Pathak ---
>we call him by his nickname "Phulda") did with
>the old style of spelling in his article in the
>Assam Tribune today !!
>
>
>
>I did not "drag" Assam Sahitya Sabha into it ---
>I sincerely believed that Assam Sahitya
>Sabha had some position in this spelling
>problem. As for me, I'll go by whatever people
>ask me to do on these kind of matters --- so far
>as I am concerned, our real prority problem is
>losing the land, Bangladesh swallowing Assam
>with the help from Assamese betrayers
>--- problem aggravated by the acute inferiority
>complex that you identified ---- this is such a
>huge problem that everything else appear small.
>
>
>
>As for the spelling of my Assamese words in the
>net, I appeal to the netters to correct me
>whenever I make a mistake. That's how I'll be
>able to learn the new spelling system.
>
>
>
>With love to everybody,
>
>Himendra
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> and changed to Sanskrit transliteration which
>we will still like to hear from you
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>
>Cc:
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo
>sarma ; <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ;
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B.
>Sarangapani ; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram
>Sarangapani ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:53 PM
>
>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex/ Assamese IC
>
>
>Dear Himenda:
>
>Thanks for your response. I was holding not to
>respond to you based on Ram's comments because I
>did not know if agree to his view. As I can see
>now, your reason for his Sanskritization was
>unintentional. That leaves room for our future
>discussion on the subject in a rational manner.
>I am sure we can discuss this separately later.
>
>
>
>Regarding the Assamese transliteration, if you
>will remember, the question arose only because
>you changed the Priyankus transliteration while
>quoting him:
>
>
>
>Priyanku wrote: Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari...,
>
>You wrote: Desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari
>
>and asked him to expalin.
>
>We are still trying to figure out why you
>rejected Priyanku's way of writing and changed
>to Sanskrit transliteration which we will still
>like to hear from you.
>
>
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>Please donot try to drag ASS into this business
>which is not theirs. I don't know if you know it
>or not, during the last 70 years, ASS has been a
>completely non productive organization so far
>any contribution to the Assamese language or
>even the unity of the Assamese is concerned. It
>has not contributed anything either in
>standarding the Assamese spellings or
>standardizing the Roman transliteration etc.
>Now ex ASS President is wrongly! claiming the
>word ASSAM is a British coin word which it is
>not. He also is claiming that the letter S can
>represent the Assanese guttural X sound which it
>does not. ASS even shy away from coming up a
>good definition of the Assamese. I think ASS
>has turned into an intellectually defunct org
>and the highest epitome of Assamese IC. So do
>you really believe that anybody can expect
>anything effective from ASS. In my opinion, ASS
>is a highly politicized ornamental org just for
>its name which has actually dividing the
>Assamese community into Tai-Ahom, Bodo, Tiwa
>etc. Whatever contribution is being made to the
>Assamese language and literature during the last
>70 years, is being made due to
>individual contributions of some dedicated
>people who are determined to stay outside ASS (I
>mean people like Bhabendra Nath Saikia
>etc). Also you probably know the ongoing debate
>for the proper Roman script spelling of the word
>for (O+DontiyoXO+MO) = OXOM. Have you so far
>see! n any contribution from ASS at all on the
>subject?
>
>
>
>In view of above, if you are honest to yourself
>and want to really make any contribution to the
>land of your birth, please donot try to name
>these big sounding organizations. Do it on your
>own like so many Assamese people who have done
>before without getting into official sanctions
>of ASS. Otherwise if you too are after just for
>the name, please go ahead, the netters will
>understand your position.
>
>
>
>Please don't worry about me being influenced by
>Chandan. We are all too matured to be influenced
>by anybody. We have our own strong views. Please
>take it that when I write something, it is
>coming from my heart with 100 honesty and
>sincereity and conviction. These questions are
>coming from me, and I hope you will res! pond
>with same honesty and sincereity
>
>Thanks
>
>Rajen
>
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>
>
>---- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>
>Cc:
><mailto:priyankoo123 at rediffmail.com>priyankoo
>sarma ; <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ;
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B.
>Sarangapani ; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram
>Sarangapani ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:37 PM
>
>Subject: Acute inferiorty complex
>
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
>
>I am a little late in replying to your letter
>---once again --- I hope you will not mind. I
>had to work on another deadline somewhere else.
>I also had to attend a friends family who ran
>into a bereavement.
>
>
>
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>I am sorry I made mistakes in the spellings ---
>in fact, I do not know the new Assamese
>phonetics in Roman script ---- I wrote what I
>knew, just like what respected Jnanananda Sharma
>Pathak wrote in the Assam Tribune today in his
>beautiful article Mystical Yearnings about the
>late Parbotiprasad Barua --- it is difficult to
>get rid of old habits you grow up with!
>
>
>
>
>If the Assamese phonetics in Roman script has
>been accepted by Asom Sahitya Sabha, Guwahati
>University, Dibrugarh University and other
>authorities, there should be some books [kindly
>inform me] from which I could learn the new
>spelling system.
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>Even then, I may still make a mistake. Please do
>not be influenced by Chandan Mahantas foul
>suspicion that Himendas attempts to
>Sanskritize Oxomiya words and phrases
>demonstrates his own insecurity and inferiority
>complex as an Oxomiya -- driving him to
>Sanskritized versions of words and phrases. He
>even writes 'desh', as in deshotkoi', etc. I do
>not know how the netters will digest Chandan
>Mahantas brickbats like Did Lasit Borphukan
>speak Sanskrit?
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>As for my spelling mistakes, I appeal to the
>netters to please correct me whenever you! find
>an error.
>
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>
>
>The subject of my letter to you was the huge
>concern that you so appropriately pointed out in
>the net on March 5 about the Acute Inferiority
>Complex of the Assamese --- [I did not know
>that this was discussed in the net before] ---
>this is now overshadowed by another discussion
>of Sanskritization, which is opposed by many
>netters.
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>Under the main topic of the Acute Inferiority
>Complex of the Assamese , I was appealing to
>the netters to discuss these two slogans:
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>(1) Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari -------by Priyanku Sharma
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>(2) Dexotkoi mwmai dangor nohoy --------------------- by Lasit Borphukan
>
>
>
>
>The #2 was uttered by Lasit in the heat of a
>battle, but it became a slogan later on. I
>agree with you that Let us leave it a
>historical fact and let us try to utilize this
>fact to the advantage of the future of the
>Assamese.
>
>
>
>
>About the #1 above, I thank you for clarifying
>that Priyanku's quote will be : A country is
>nothing an idea which is only required to use as
>a last phrase in one's address. In fact I like
>this poetic (Omor Khyam type) quote, and I can
>write volumes in support of this poetic or
>philosophical statement.
>
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>I also thank Dilip Deka for his clarification
>The proper translation would be, "Country is
>just a concept, the last line of a
>street address."
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>Those who feel bound to the borders of a country
>also accept the bord! ers of village, city,
>state, and province. Do these borders mean
>anything? It is nothing but an attempt to keep
>out those who are not like you and that is
>demented.
>
>Looking at the positive side, national or
>regional pride, and the diversity associated
>with it add color to life. If the whole world
>adopts one way say american way of life and its
>culture, life itself would become dull.
>
>
>
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>In #2 above, dex (the country) is held above
>family relations, whereas in #1, dex (the
>country) is degraded to something which is only
>required to use as a last phrase in one's
>address or to something that will be just "the
>last line of a street address."
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>This idea appeals to young people as it did to
>the flower children of the 1960s who talked
>about the Those who feel bound to the! borders
>of a country also accept the borders of village,
>city, state, and province. Do these borders mean
>anything? In the 1960s, growing in the
>aftermath of the Second World War where 30
>million people died, growing under the shadow of
>the Korea War and Vietnam War, young people
>revolted and took that line of thinking.
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>I request the netters to discuss whether #2 is
>an expression of "Positive Self-confidence",
>whereas the #1 opens a door to Acute
>Inferiority Complex of the Assamese .
>
>
>
>
>With love to everybody,
>
>Himendra
>
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>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>
>Cc: <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:jugalkalita at yahoo.com>J Kalita ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net
>; <mailto:shivadoul at yahoo.com>Ginima Barua ;
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ;
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B.
>Sarangapani ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:16 AM
>
>Subject: Re: Acute inferiorty complex IC
>
>
>Dear Himen-da:
>
>Thanks for! your note.
>
>Regarding Assamese having an 'inferiority
>complex' (written as IC henceforth) I have been
>saying this for decades now. This is something
>one can only feel or realize seeing the day to
>day actions of the Assamese people as a group on
>national or international level. First we will
>have to 'recognize the fact that we have this
>IC. From my side I can write a essay citing
>examples of Assamese IC. Now some people may not
>like to agree with me. To them I will simply ask
>to either counter my arguments or give me some
>examples whereby we can say that Assamese are
>not suffering from IC. However, I don't exactly
>understand when you say we need to discuss this
>in the net. What we can achieve by discussing
>this in the net? And I think we have discussed
>this issue many times in the net. This is
>something we can remove by our leaders first by
>getting rid of this 'IC' themselves and then
>educating th! e people by their actions. (Please
>note that we use the net not to solve problems
>but just to use it as a 'sounding borad' to test
>our idea's. From that angle the net is a very
>cruel sounding borad. It will hit one back and
>may hurt if the idea is not sound or true.)
>
>
>
>Regarding the slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar
>nohoi" I would not like to equate this
>unnecessarily with Krishna's killing Bhishma
>simply because it will not serve any purpose
>unless of course one is trying to make poor
>Lasit an Assamese Krishna. I think we should
>not try to defend or justify Lasit more than
>what he did. Let us leave it a historical fact
>and let us try to utilize this fact to the
>advantage of the future of ! the Assamese. (BTW
>please note that we try to write ethnic Assamese
>phonetics in Roman script in the net as opposed
>to your Sanskritised transliteration writing. So
>we would write the phrase more like 'dexotkoi
>mwmai dangor nohoy'. May explain details later. )
>
>
>
>Regarding your other slogan "desh matho eta
>dharana, thikanar shesh shari", all I can say is
>that so far I know this is a personal statement
>(a philosophical quote one may say) being used
>by Priyanku Sarma in the net. Here again please
>note that Priyanku used the correct Assamese
>ethnic spelling as : Dex matho eta
>dharona, thikonar xex xari..., and not what you
>spelled above. (Thank you Priyanku). Probably if
>there is anything more to its meaning, Priyanku
>can respond.
>
>
>
>Now coming to the meaning of the word 'dharona',
>I think you are trying too hard to find the
>meaning in Sanskrit grammar book. Please note
>that this is a simple Assamese word, and many a
>times, the same word may mean slightly
>different in Sanskrit than in Assamese. We
>should try to use the Assamese meaning. From
>that point, 'dharona' is a simple Assamese word,
>meaning 'conception' or 'idea' or 'comment' etc.
>The meaning is clear when we say the Assamese
>sentence "Ei ghotonatw xomporke twmar ki dharona
>baru?" Some netters like Alpana and others
>probably may give you better sentence using the
>Assamese word 'dharona'. Anyhow the full
>meaning of the Priyanku's quote will be : A
>country is nothing an idea which is only
>required to use as a last phrase in one's
>address. In fact I like this poetic (Omor Khyam
>type) quote, and I can write volumes in support
>of this poetic or philosophical statement.
>
>
>
>Hope this will make some clarifica! tions. More later.
>
>Thanks
>
>Rajen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>
>Cc: <mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:jugalkalita at yahoo.com>J Kalita ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net
>; <mailto:shivadoul at yahoo.com>Ginima Barua ;
><mailto:dilipdeka at yahoo.com>Dilip/Dil Deka ;
><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>Alpana B.
>Sarangapani ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:32 AM
>
>Subject: Acute inferiorty complex
>
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
>Thanks for your letter. The points that you have
>raised in this letter should definitely be
>discussed in the net.
>
>
>
>But, I think what you so correctly said on March
>5, 2006 "Assamese are already suffering from
>acute inferiorty complex" should be given to
>PRIORITY in the discussion in the assam-net.
>
>
>
>I congratulate you for pointing out this
>terrible thing "inferiorty complex" and most
>earnestly request you to run a discussion on
>this point in the net. I am trying to start this
>discussion by quoting Lachit's "deshatkoi momai
>dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not greater than my
>country)".
>
>
>
>The slogan "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My
>uncle is not greater than my country)" is
>actually a re-statement of what Lord Shrikrishna
>stated in Bhagavadgita. Killing of grand-uncle
>Bhishma at the "Declared Battle of Kurukshetra"
> was justified by Lord Shrikrishna to establish
>righteousness. The word "righteousness" is the
>translation of the word "dharma" of the verses
>7&8 Chapter 4 of Bhagavadgita.
>
>
>
>When Lachit said "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi"
>(My uncle is not greater than my country)", he
>was using the word "desha" to mean a Motherland
>whose defense was our righteous right. What
>Lachit said at the spur of the moment appears
>like a "slogan" to us. This may give some answer
>to the objection of Jugal Kalita [I apologize if
>I misunderstood him] about slogans.
>
>
>
>Another slogan is floating in the net "desh
>matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" --- I
>am finding it difficult to translate this into
>English because the meaning of the word
>"dharana" is not clear to me. I see "dharana" as
>the sixth step of Patanjali's Ashtanga Yoga:
>(1) Yama, (2)Niyama, (3) Asana, ! (4)
>Pranayama, (5) Pratyahara, (6)Dharana, (7)
>Dhyana, and (8) Samadhi.
>
>
>
>The propounder of the slogan "desh matho eta
>dharana, thikanar shesh shari" should give the
>meaning of the word "dharana"and explain why
>"dharana" has been equated with "desha". Correct
>me if I am wrong, I think the slogans like
> "desh matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari"
>are generating the acute inferiorty
>complex" that you pointed out.
>
>
>
>The propounder & supporters of the slogan "desh
>matho eta dharana, thikanar shesh shari" should
>come forward to compare it with Lachit's
>"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi".
>
>
>
>In my opinion, Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar
>nohoi" will expel the acute inferiorty complex
>--- a new, unwanted twist of Assamese mind ---
>that you so correctly pointed out.
>
>
>
>With the best wishes,
>
>Himendra
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Barua25
>
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Hime! ndra Thakur
>
>Cc:
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net
>; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani ;
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:52 PM
>
>Subject: Re: deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
>
>
>Dear Himenda:
>
>Thanks for your response. Glad to know that the
>book was a part of your course.
>
>Regarding the historical data of the story, I
>think you need to have some back up. Because it
>is such a horrifying story, it may give the
>people a completely different picture about
>Islam. The actual reality howe! ver may be quite
>different. The reason I am saying this is
>because there is also a opposite side of the
>story. According to one theory, the religion
>that suffered most during the Islamic invasion
>was mainly Buddhism. Buddhism was an organised
>religion without any defense which was
>completely wiped out. Hinduism survived under
>the caste system. Many Brhamins helped and aided
>the Islamic rulers in the destruction of
>Buddhism. Many Buddhist temples overnite become
>Shiva temples etc. Also the theory says that
>there was actually no forced conversion at all
>from Hindus to Islam. That is why one donot find
>any high caste Hindus being Muslim. All that
>conversion that happened were the low caste
>Hindus and they converted themselves to Islam
>mainly because of the equality that they gained
>under Islam and to avoid the exploitation from
>upper caste Hindus. Today one finds the whole
>of Bangladesh a Islamic country which were at
>one time wholly a Buddhist country. There wer! e
>hardly any Brahmin or any high caste Hindus in
>Bagladesh. In fact the exploited downtrodden
>Hindus were taking shelters from exploitation
>from Hindus upper caste in those three shelter
>religions: namely Buddhism, Islam and
>Christianity.
>
>
>
>On the other hand I have heard story of enmass
>village conversion to Islam not by force from
>Islam but due to rejection from the Hindus.
>There story appeared in Prantik magazine in
>Assam, a Brahmin village in Assam was converted
>to Islam because somebody has thrown beef in the
>village well, and Hindus have refused to accept
>the village back as Hindus. The village finally
>had to take to Islam, The Sharmas started to
>write Ahmed overnite etc.
>
>
>
>So there may be many sides of the coin, and one
>need to be careful ! in making any general
>statement before checking the facts.
>
>Thanks
>
>Rajen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>
>Cc:
><mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net
>; <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani ;
><mailto:dasmk2k at gmail.com>Manoj Das ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:28 PM
>
>Subject: deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi
>
>
>Dear Rajen,
>
>
>
>
>Sorry for the delay in replying !
>
>
>
>
>The statement that you referred in your letter
>below came up in a panel discussion in 1989 at
>Harvard University where the manuscript of my
>book "Don't Burn My Mother!" was discussed in a
>movie script-writing course. (By the way, I got
>an A in that course ! My added benefit was that
>I got to see a number of classic movies with
>commentaries & discussions at the Harvard
>University Movie Club --- those were a few
>wonderful months for me !)
>
>
>
>
>Unfortunately, 17 years later now, I don't
>remember the name of the history scholar who
>made that statement. It was my fault that I did
>not follow it up to find it in historical
>reference or book or article written by any
>historians. I'll now! dig it up and let you know.
>
>
>
>
>Normally, I furnish a word "assumption" before
>such statements, which you may have noticed in
>my other writings. IF I miss, please let
>me know, I'll correct immediately ! All
>historical facts must be supported by
>cross-reference, according to the principle of
>historical studies. I really apologize for
>missing the word "assumption" before this
>statement. I thank you for correcting me.
>
>
>
>
>In this connection, I urge the netters to ponder
>over the story that Lachit beheaded his own
>uncle for lapse of duty in the Battle of
>Saraighat and uttered the famous slogan:
>"deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" (My uncle is not
>greater than my country) --- this statement was
>boldly etched at the entrance of the Assam
>Assembly Hall in Shillong when Shillong was the
>capital of Assam.
>
>
>
>
>Now, I have heard that some people have raised
>serious objection that this statement cannot be
>accepted as historical truth due to lack of
>cross-reference. The netters may throw some
>light on this.
>
>
>
>
>Throughout my life, I grew up with
>Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" , and
>it pained me beyond any consolation that I could
>not include "deshatkoi momai dangar nohoi" in
>my article ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO because some
>historian would object. However, in spite of all
>precautions, the idea of ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO
>and the idea of the statue of Swargadev
>Chakradhwaj Singha were rejected on the grounds
>that the bridge would encourage garbage dumping,
>the statue would be a sore thumb, the existing
>white pillar is an excellent "ABSTRACT" element,
>the statue of Swargadev Chakradhwaj Singha
>would be ugly, what they did in their time is
>fine --- we need not build any sako (bridge) or
>statue to commemorate them ------ and a hoard
>of many other "wise" comments.
>
>
>
>
>I request the netters to find out the historical
>truth about Lachit's "deshatkoi momai dangar
>nahoi" and advice me if I can include it in a
>revised version of the article ATAN BURAGOHAIN
>SAKO .
>
>
>
>
>With the best wishes,
>
>Himendra
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>; <mailto:shntikamhaz at gmail.com>Shantikam
>Hazarika
>
>Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:17 AM
>
>Subject: invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains by Muslims
>
>
> >On January 29, 2006, I clearly wrote in the
>net that To protect a family during the early
>period of invasion of Indo-Gangetic plains, if a
>family of had five >brothers, two would take
>conversion to Islam to protect the remaining
>three.
>
>
>
>Dear Himen-da:
>
>I just want to ask you one question. Do you have
>any proof of the above statement?
>
>If yes, can you support with any historical
>reference or book or article written by any
>historians?
>
>I never heard such statement from any quarter.
>So it is very important that we absolutely find
>the truth
>
>Rajen.
>
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