[Assam] What a shame! YOUR Qs ANSWERED IN CAPS

[Chan Mahanta]

Hello Jyoti:

Welcome to the hot-air-balloon of assamnet.

Nice to see that your cold feet warmed up after 
Momy's lead. Goes to show that our women are more 
assertive  than many of our men-folk, in spite of 
the traditional misconception that they are the 
'weaker-sex' and are treated as such by the 
macho-men in our ranks.


>her are a couple of members in the forum who 
>like to actively participate in >the discussions 
>and keep it going as long as possible.

*** Isn't that terrible? They hog all that 
bandwith leaving so many others itching to put a 
word in sideways, out in the cold. Bad guys, 
these!

What's more is that these guys also take unfair 
advantage of others like you, because they have 
all that time to WASTE! What is a body to do! 
Life couldn't be more unfair.

But again, am glad you could get your two cents 
in even if only by getting in thru the gates 
behind  Momy .


>I remember reading a mail from one of the 
>members, who mentioned how active the >forum is 
>and how erring members are "dressed down"

*** That sounds so very disgustingly arrogant, 
doesn't it?  I can guess though who the scoundrel 
could be. My only question here is this: Do you 
remember the context/s in which this villain used 
those words? Or did you forget it, perhaps 
conveniently?

If I remember correctly, it was about uncouth 
people making personal attacks on other netters. 
Wasn't it? Do you think it is improper to do that 
to those who make personal attacks? What would be 
your preferred response? Wait till someone like 
Momy opens the gate  and then sling a gob of mud 
from behind that hideout?

Not cool Jyoti! Not becoming of a bright young 
Oxomiya who our people are banking on to 
"Jilikabo luitore' paar".


>If there is nothing to contribute from your 
>experience then don't justify your >actions and 
>use words like naivity.

*** Let us see now--I can't quite understand what 
you are trying to say. Are you suggesting that 
this unnamed villain should not have written a 
sentence like "---You have shown how naive you 
are about some of your assumptions, beliefs and 
expectations, from the few notes you posted 
here"?  Would you like to tell us why?  Is it a 
personal insult? Is it the wrong word to use? 
That we should keep our mouths shut, like 
yourself for example, while doing a slow-burn; 
even when someone delivers a superficial and 
ill-considered verdict on the quality of this 
forum, while offering little to improve it; as if 
it is some kind of an entitlement; on the way out 
to the door in a huff?

What?


>Your actions speak for itself, so don't point 
>fingers at others. Remeber when >you point one 
>finger, four of your fingers are pointing at you.

*** I learn something about new fokora-jwjonas' 
everyday. Is it an ancient Oxomiya one by any 
chance? I am sure it is a philosophically deep 
axiom, even though it sounds more like a recent 
Dilbert cartoon characters' 'colorful but 
meaningless metaphors'.


>  >Momy, you need to stay on and try a "redress" the actions on the net.

*** That is a good advice. I agree with you 
Jyoti, unless ---- unless, you are indulging in 
'randhonik usotai maasor jwl-khowa'  or 
'usotai-di-rong-swa' while yourself hiding in the 
shadows,like you have been doing.


**** OK Jyoti--- I gave you a little more 
uttom-modhyom than I usually do to young folks. 
My most strident ones are usually directed to my 
erring peers . Now allow me to offer an 
olive-branch:

I know you and many others don't like many of my 
political views about Assam's and India's 
affairs. But instead of speaking your mind or 
offering alternate/opposing views, you folks 
remain timidly quiet, doing a slow burn. As a 
well-wisher of Assam and Oxomiyas, I don't want 
you guys to be like that Jyoti. Oxomiya youth 
must not take things lying down. Do speak up. And 
honest, I or others like me really, really don't 
bite. Our views may be  unpalatable to you. But 
you can hold forth views that are better. This is 
a forum for ideas. Present yours. You don't have 
to have a degree in English to write either. No 
one will get on your case for spelling mistakes 
for example.

But it is not a cool idea to attack those whose 
ideas you don't like, personally. That is crass. 
And it shows gross immaturity. Similarly it is 
not a cool idea to throw in a few slings of mud 
like you did in this post either. Be brave, 
CHALLENGE what you don't like, but don't behave 
like a wimp.


So, here we are: PEACE BROTHER! And welcome to 
our 'juhaalor-mel' :-). And let us have spirited 
discussions and debates. Who knows it might even 
lead to ACTION, now and then.

Best to you.

cm












At 12:12 PM -0700 10/12/06, Jyoti Kumar Das wrote:
>Dear Momy,
>
>I like your spirit, commitment and purpose.  You 
>did what I wanted to do a long time back.  I 
>noticed this happening earlier as well. Ther are 
>a couple of members in the forum who like to 
>actively participate in the discussions and keep 
>it going as long as possible.  Maybe its good 
>for them, but I don't have so much time to 
>indulge and keep a debate / topic of discussion 
>/ or rather a string going (as it is known in 
>the IT world).
>
>I remember reading a mail from one of the 
>members, who mentioned how active the forum is 
>and how erring members are "dressed down" and 
>thats exactly whats happening at this moment.  I 
>don't see why someone should feel intimidated by 
>confrontation from younger memebers. If you can 
>show reasoning and wisdom of judgement with your 
>experience, please do so. Don't try to dress 
>down members.
>
>Momy has raised a valid point, if you can 
>contribute in any way then do so. If there is 
>nothing to contribute from your experience then 
>don't justify your actions and use words like 
>naivity.  Your actions speak for itself, so 
>don't point fingers at others. Remeber when you 
>point one finger, four of your fingers are 
>pointing at you.
>
>Momy, you need to stay on and try a "redress" the actions on the net.
>
>Cheers
>
>Jyoti Das
>
>
>
>Momy Saikia <saikia_m at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
>Hi Momy (HELLO MR MAHANTA):
>
>
>I was disappointed to read your note on the disappointments of your
>own (YOU SHOULD BE AND EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T APPRAISE AN
>YOUTH'S OPINION).
>
>Allow me to share a little observation of mine, with the hope that
>you will take a moment of your precious time to ponder(I ALWAYS HAVE TIME
>FOR ANY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AS ITS ONE OF THE REASONS BEHIND MY
>DEVELOPMENT):
>Expectations is the mother of all disappointments!" (WELL IF YOU ASK
>ME...EXPECTATION IS THE MOTHER OF ACHIEVEMENT)..... Is it catchy or
>what? (ITS DEGRADING THE TERM FOR ME SO NOT CATCHY AT ALL SIR) Remember you
>heard it here first :-)( I NEVER HEARD OF IT AND EVEN IF I DID, I WOULDN'T
>MAKE SENSE OF IT BECAUSE THESE PROVERBS ARE OUTCOME OF SOMEONE'S EXPERIENCE
>NOT MINE).
>>
>>
>>The point is that you had expectations of assamnetters (NEVER DID, THATS
>>YOUR PRESSUMPTION); does not matter if they are realistic, meaningful,
>>useful, or otherwise(ANY INTELLIGENT BEING WOULD AGREE THAT TAKING AN
>>ACTION TO HELP SOMEONE ISN'T UNREALISTIC, NON MEANINGFULL OR USELESS). And
>>since those were not met (TRUE), you are leaving the forum (LEAVING THE
>>FORUM BECAUSE, I WOULD RATHER INVEST TIME IN ACTIONS THAN DISCUSSIONS WHICH
>>LEADS ME NOWHERE BUT RESULTS IN RESENTMENT TOWARDS DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR GOVT
>>IN THE END), in a huff (WELLCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY, IF YOU NEED SOMETHING
>>DONE THAN DO IT NOW),
>waving your own virtues(CAUSE I BELIEVE IN THEM UNLIKE MOST OF YOU),
>imagined or real(ABSOLUTELY REAL AND SO I AM ABLE TO PUT THEM INTO ACTIONS),
>for others to see and go (ACTUALLY TO IRK MINDS LIKE YOU...THE POSITIVE
>OUTCOME OF MY MAIL IS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE MAILED ME IN PERSON OFFERING
>HELP TO BUILD A SITE...BUT YOU AGAIN TOOK TIME TO WRITE ME A PAGE FULL OF
>YOUR OPINION ABOUT ME AND WANTING A DEBATE OUT OF IT) ( --Wow! What a young
>lady of action she is (SURE I AM, ELSE I WOULDN'T HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO
>POINT AT THE "WORDS ONLY" GROUP).
>>
>>
>>But I understand ( I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU DO). Most do(AGAIN I CAN HOPE THAT
>>THEY DO). We have seen them all here (THIS COULD ONLY MEAN TO ME THAT YOU
>>HAVE BEEN POSTING YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS SITE SINCE IT FIRST STARTED). Good
>>news (NOT REALLY CAUSE YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME)
>  >however is that you are young (JUST 25, LOT OF EXPECTATIONS YET), and
>>hopefully still open to learning (I WOULDN'T BE DEVELOPING IF I WASNT OPEN
>>TO LEARNING)
>>new tricks unlike some old us old dogs (DONOT EVER HUMILIATE YOURSELF...NO
>>ONE CALLS YOU THAT , I AM SURE) . And it is NOT a beauty contest (I DO
>>UNDERSTAND SIR, SEEKING HELP FROM YOU GUYS TO HELP OTHERS ISN'T A THOUGHT
>>OF A BEAUTY ONLY...BEAUTY+BRAINS) here -- to prove what a hot-s--t one is
>>or not (NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING..DO READ MY MAIL ONCE MORE) :-).
>>
>>
>>New tricks? (TRICKS???THOUGHT I WAS STRAIGHT FORWARD) Indeed. You have
>>shown how naive(WITH ALL DUE RESPECT SIR, INSPITE OF YOUR AGE YOU HAVE NO
>>RIGHT TO USE "SUCH" WORDS AGAINST ME) you are about some of your
>>assumptions (ASSUMPTIONS GET YOU STARTED WITH ANY PROBLEM), beliefs ( CAUSE
>>I BELEIVE IN THEM) and expectations(TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE, I NEED TO
>>EXPECT), from the few notes you posted here(FEW BUT SUBSTANTIAL). I won't
>>go into details now(YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME IF YOU WANT TO), but if you
>>would like for me to, I will be pleased to take them up for discussion at a
>>later time.(WHY PRIVATE..IT STARTED IN A PUBLIC FORUM, KEEP IT THAT WAY)>
>>But that is nothing new (YOUR OPINION AGAIN SIR). You are not alone in your
>>naivete (I WOULD BE GLAD IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF MY KIND THAN). We have all
>>been there(HAVE YOU??NOT REALLY OR ELSE YOU WON'T BE STILL A MEMBER OF THE
>>FORUM). Again good news is that we can shed them(NO INTENSIONS OF SHEDDING
>>MY QUALITIES). How? Yes, by talking(TALK AND TALK AND TALK SO THAT BY THE
>>TIME I AM OF YOUR AGE, I WILL SHARE MY OPINION WITH A YOUNGER MEMBER IN THE
>>EXACT SAME WAY AS YOU HAVE DONE). By
>>debating, discussing and deliberating and by paying attention(I DON'T HAVE
>>TIME FOR PROLONGED DISCUSSIONS OR DEBATES).
>>
>>You may ask: But isn't that a waste of time? Aren't you guys just blowing
>>air, accomplishing NOTHING? (THERE YOU GO..SEE YOU FINALLY KNOW ME BETTER)
>>
>>Well, it would be, IF that is ALL we do (YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER).
>>
>>See Momy, discussing and debating the issues we do, is NOT mutually
>>exclusive of doing something concrete(WHICH I QUITE WELL UNDERSTOOD EVEN
>>BEFORE YOU MENTIONED).
>>
>>
>>That is what you fail to recognize(MAYBE, THANK U FOR TAKING THE EFFORT TO
>>MAKE ME REALISE). Again, no harm done. You have a lot of time to learn(I
>>AGREE WITH YOU THERE).
>>
>>Many netters do many things--for their own betterment and for others' too.
>>Not all talk of their actions or contributions. And besides, there is
>>ALWAYS a whole lot more to the persona of these people than what their
>>posts in assamnet may indicate. It will do you good to be aware of
>>that(PLEASE MAKE ME AWARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR AS YOU CLAIM TO BE
>>OLD ..YOU HAVE HAD YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD).
>>
>>What is important to recognize however, is that those who know better, or
>>are expected to know better--people like yourselves, cannot and must not
>>remain smug in your own righteousness, your self-image of a person of
>>action, like you assert(WELL THAN POINT ME TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION,
>>DONT ASK ME TO ARGUE, DEBATE AND DISCUSS). For if you do, you will be NO
>>DIFFERENT from those who you perceive, albeit on scant and superficial
>>evidence of assamnet posts, to be mere hot-air blowers, or having little to
>>contribute towards what YOU consider meaningful. What is meaningful can
>>come in many, many forms(JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM YOU IS WHAT I AM REQUESTING
>>FOR..BESIDES I CLEARLY MENTIONED TWO CATEGORIES IN MY CONCLUDING
>>LINE..PLEASE READ IT).
>>
>>Another thing is that, we know, often a new member would leave in a huff,
>>because netters' criticisms/comments hurt their sense of what they hold
>>dear(I BELEIVE IN MYSELF AND SOME INDIVIDUAL WHO IS VIRTUALLY KNOW TO ME
>>JUST CANT HURT ME WITH WORDS..IT WILL TAKE YOU LOT MORE): Often myths
>>associated with their realities or their beliefs (AGAIN FIRM BELEIEFS). And
>>being unable or unwilling to articulate a defense of their own values and
>>views, they would cite others' 'egos' or pro-this or anti-that or
>>full-of-hot-air-ness(NOT ME...BUT YOUR MAIL COULD BE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE).
>  >This is the quintessential "Urohi-gosor-wrtw-onyo-korbat" syndrome(TAR MANE
>>NUBUJILU). There is only one cure for it: SPEAK UP, defend what you
>>believe(I ALWAYS DO CAUSE I HAVE NO FEAR OR SECOND THOUGHTS..I AM CONFIDENT
>>AND ALWAYS SPEAK OF THINGS I CAN DEFEND IF NECESSARY). You will be
>>surprised, that you CAN educate others(I KNOW THAT). And we will all be the
>>better for it.
>>
>>Gave you an earful, didn't I :-)?(I CAN ABSORB MORE BUT DONT'T MAKE IT A
>>HABBIT)
>>
>>Take care(U TOO), and whether you return to assamnet or not,(I WON'T AFTER
>>TODAY) all the best to you and yours(AND TO YOU SIR).
>>
>>cm(MOMY)
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