[Assam] Army admits to torture - IANS/Gulf News

[Rajib Das]

Taking C-da's logic forward a bit...

So if indeed the ULFA is killing innocent civilians,
it and its liberated Assam as an alternative is not
worth contemplating. After all why at all go from the
devil to the bad blue sea?

If the alternative is equally bad or worse, logic says
you do not consider that alternative at all.



> *** For the sake of arguments, let me agree that
> everything you are 
> charging here is in fact the truth and nothing but
> the truth. But how 
> does that give he Indian army the license to go kill
> and maim 
> innocent Oxomiyas, like the army had to fess up to
> in the news report 
> you posted?
> 
> Are you suggesting, that since the ULFA is bad, they
> kill innocent 
> people, so the Indian army has no choice but to have
> an open season 
\> on innocent Oxomiyas and continue to perpetrate the
> kind of brutality 
> they  did on Ajit Mahanta or Saikia??
> 
> Is that India's 'liberal democracy' all about? Is
> that the kind of 
> democracy Manmohan Singh sings the praises of and
> proclaims "There is 
> nothing that cannot be resolved thru democracy?" And
> is AFSPA the 
> standard-barer of that desi-demokrasy?
> 
> 
> >Wouldn't have known if you hadn't told us. But they
> do make lofty 
> >promises for >a sonor Oxom!
> 
> *** That was a sarcastic comment on my part Ram. It
> was to underscore 
> the hypocrisy of desi-demokrasy which pegs its
> integrity and 
> accountability on the rag-tag group of insurgents
> who never had a 
> chance to help establish the institutions of state
> and a rule of law 
> that India has flouted since the beginning of
> desi-time in Assam :-).
> 
> 
> >One thing is certain, the army problem wouldn't
> exist, if the ulfa 
> >wasn't >running loose.
> 
> *** Really? Try telling that to the Sentinel, which
> told quite 
> clearly how the Indian army had used the NE as its
> very own private 
> fiefdom long before ULFA came to be, and thus helped
> spawn ULFA.
> 
> 
> >Given the bad experience with armymen running loose
> in the 
> >countryside and >their wanton killings (from what
> you tell us),
> 
> 
> *** I tell you that Ram ? That is from your favorite
> newspaper :-). 
> Anyway, you don't have to listen to anything I say
> or the Sentinel 
> writes about. What is YOUR assessment of it? What do
> YOU believe?
> 
> 
> >wouldn't it then be prudent for the ULFA, which
> claims to be the 
> >savior of the >Assamese to seek some peaceful
> solution or 
> >alternatively, just give up.
> 
> *** Of course it would be Ram. Why should the Indian
> army or the 
> Indian Owners  the NE people's lands and its
> inhabitants relent? 
> After all, they are their colony ain't it,  handed
> down as India's 
> 'poitrik-xompotty' ( ancestral inheritance)?
> 
> But the experience of a quarter century tells me
> that such wishes are 
> not very realistic. What do you think? Is it going
> to happen? And 
> failing which it would justify the Indian army's
> open season on its 
> people?
> 
> 
> >I know, this sounds harsh, but if the ulfa is
> claiming to save 
> >Assam, shouldn't >Assamese lives be very important
> to them (ie. 
> >being killed by the Indian army, >as you say).
> 
> *** No doubt such an attempt at blackmailing would
> help those whose 
> aim is to keep Assam safe to be exploited by India.
> But what are the 
> chances of that happening?
> 
> 
> >Whatever the struggles and aspirations, can Assam
> afford a zero-sum game?
> 
> *** Question is HOW India, the beacon of
> 'liberal-democracy', could 
> even think of using the people of Assam as pawns, as
> expendable 
> sacrifices, in its quest to hold on to the
> real-estate of Assam, to 
> hell with the people that calls it home?
> 
> Can you explain that Ram :-)?
> 
> c-da
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >Sorry, C'da - they are NOT the idealistic 'freedom
> seekers' any 
> >more. Their actions speak a lot more. Now, very few
> know what they 
> >are actually fighting for. To think that they are
> fighting for an 
> >Assamese homeland is a far-fetched as it can be.
> >
> >  > A: I don't know that ULFA has been running a
> 'liberal democratic'
> >  >       government, waving the banners of the
> rule of law.
> >
> >Wouldn't have known if you hadn't told us. But they
> do make lofty 
> >promises for a sonor Oxom!
> >
> >  > Finally, if the Indian state cannot do any
> better than what is
> >  >       conveniently attributed to ULFA, why do
> you folks hold it up as
> >   >      the epitome of virtue, while  demonizing
> ULFA ? Isn't that, at the
> >    >     very least, demeaning to your deity ?
> >
> >No one is holding up the Indian army as virtuous.
> One thing is 
> >certain, the army problem wouldn't exist, if the
> ulfa wasn't running 
> >loose. As bad as you make them out to be, there are
> cases when they 
> >are brought to book when they go haywire.
> >Given the bad experience with armymen running loose
> in the 
> >countryside and their wanton killings (from what
> you tell us), 
> >wouldn't it then be prudent for the ULFA, which
> claims to be the 
> >savior of the Assamese to seek some peaceful
> solution or 
> >alternatively, just give up. I know, this sounds
> harsh, but if the 
> >ulfa is claiming to save Assam, shouldn't Assamese
> lives be very 
> >important to them (ie. being killed by the Indian
> army, as you say).
> >Whatever the struggles and aspirations, can Assam
> afford a zero-sum game?
> 
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