[Assam] AAMSU threat to Assamese
Jyotirmoy Sharma
jsharma at iinet.net.au
Fri Aug 3 03:35:59 PDT 2007
> Something in this line of reasoning is faulty, isn't it? There is a
> fallacy here. What is it?
Yes, there is a fault. The fault lies with the Assamese people. Can't
blame India(or Indians) if Assam cannot produce honest leaders, can
we? Do you think, this will change if we become independent. WHY? The
people remain the same. Same mentality.
> *** I will be pleased to air it. Not that it is a secret.
Please do so. We are listening.
> But let us hear about YOUR solutions first, since you are the one
> who is filled with most angst about it.
I have already attempted to offer my solution. People unite
irrespective of language, caste to fight for a common cause. I am
sure that there are several people who feel the same way but may not
have written here. As you have mentioned before in Assamnet...
silence cannot be regarded as acceptance.
> *** Let us not mix things up. I am not an Indian
Unfortunately even if you wish, you cannot wash off the Indian tag
that fast - as long as Assam remains under India. I give you my best
wishes. Does the B'deshis automatically become Assamese just by
landing in this side of the border?
> *** They are far lower in my list of threats to Assam.
What if they occupy your land, force your relatives to either adopt
their religion, language and culture and failing which they drive you
away. Even then will you have the same opinion?
On 01/08/2007, at 10:23 PM, Chan Mahanta wrote:
> At 9:34 PM +0800 8/1/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
>>> *** That has covered the gamut of the choices made available by
>>> desi-democrasy. What is left to be tried? Don't tell me ---
>>> Togadia, Narendar Modi, right?
>> Someone who can atleast think of the Assamese people like our
>> neighbouring CM's thinks of their own. Certainly not the ULFA.
>> They have never shown any sincerity to the cause they claim to be
>> fighting for.
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> *** Fair enough. But WHAT has held the people of Assam from FINDING
> such a person? Don't they CARE? They sure go VOTE, don't they? I
> mean look at all our bright friends right here in assamnet that
> points to how desi-demokrasy is working and how voters vote
> intelligently making it work.
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> Or could it be that no such individual is to be found in Assam?
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> Or could it be that the voters don't really care, only a handful of
> people like you do?
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> Something in this line of reasoning is faulty, isn't it? There is a
> fallacy here. What is it?
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> >It has worked in Kashmir, hasn't it?
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> *** What has? You mean the Kashmiri rebellion? If it has, what
> prevents you from undertaking something akin to it?
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> Give it a nice name like Hindu Liberation Front of Assam ( Hilifa)
> or B'deshi Kheda Bahini ( BKB) and with all the pent-up
> frustrations and anger spanning decades, you are ready to roll.
> Funding? Not a problem! VHP NRIs have tons of money. Political
> support. They are right here in assamnet. Ram will lead :-).
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> But something tells me it is not going to happen. Can you guess why?
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> >I would like to hear your opinion on the very threat itself.
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> *** I will be pleased to air it. Not that it is a secret. I have
> written a number of times about it, right here in assamnet. But
> let us hear about YOUR solutions first, since you are the one who
> is filled with most angst about it. Obviously you are frustrated
> that THEY are not doing the right things. If THEY did follow YOUR
> advice, they will fix the problem. Right?
>
> So go! Let it all hang out. Don't be bashful if it sounds a tad bit
> strident. Severe problems require harsh solutions.
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> I am giving you all the rationalization you need :-).
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> > As an Indian in the US, would any Indian national/organization
> get away by threatening the >Americans in their own country? I am
> all ears.
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> *** Let us not mix things up. I am not an Indian. I am an American
> of Assamese ethnicity. I am well accepted here. And I have no plans
> to over-run America with my relatives. Even if I had, they won't
> come. I am just a lonely black-sheep of my family.
>
> So the question is meaningless as far as it is about me.
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> But B'deshis looking for a little land to make a living --
> wherever, is a reality. They are here too. NY and Chicago taxi
> drivers are mostly B'deshis. As are waiters in NYC . Not all of
> them are legal. But the last mayor of NYC, Rudy Giuliiani, a front
> runner in the 2008 Republican Presidential candidates' race,
> publicly RESISTED apprehension and prosecution of ILLEGAL aliens
> ( including B'deshis and desis) in NYC, because he knew that the
> city will come to a standstill without them. Just like the bread-
> basket of the world , California, which would collapse if the
> Latino illegal aliens are deported.
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> >On the lungi menace itself, what is your final limit of
> acceptance, meaning what do they( read B'deshis) >have to do for
> you to acknowledge that, "Yes, they are a threat to Assam."
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> *** They are far lower in my list of threats to Assam. Indians,
> with their economic controls of Assam and huge ability to spread
> its cultural influences are on the top of the list.
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>> >Also please stop blaming India for all of Assam's ills. Think it
>> has become a habit for you. The problem lies within. The Nagaland
>> and Arunachal Govt has acted on it's own without any Indian Govt
>> support.
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> *** OK. Who then is to point fingers at and WHY? I hope you will
> explain.
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> And how do Nagaland and Arunachal get equated with Assam? Assam has
> a common border. They don't. NL and Achl can push who are not Nagas
> or A'chalis to Assam, thanks to the Indian INNER LINE PERMIT. What
> will Assam do? Send them to Bengal? Bihar? Nesw Delhi? What?
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>>> Or how about how YOU see it done?
>> Start with an economic boycott of Bangladeshi. Don't employ, don't
>> buy from them. All the recent trips by Bangladeshi tour agents is
>> nothing but a ploy to push in more of their kind in NE India.
>> If their numbers have grown to such an extent that they do not
>> have to rely on others buying their stuff, then there is no option
>> but to drive them out just as the Nagas and the Arunachalis have
>> done. If our neighbours could do it why can't it be done in Assam?
>> Who will do it - the people of Assam ( Assamese, Bodos, Karbis,
>> Kacharis, Garos, Rabhas, Mising, Bengalis, .. ) will have to sink
>> their differences and form a united front to drive them out.
>>
>>> Perhaps you would consider raising a new insurgency group, one
>>> that would not take shelter in B'desh, so they can rid you of the
>>> lunigi-menace? Would that work?
>> It has worked in Kashmir, hasn't it? The difference is that
>> insurgent groups have driven out minorities( read Kashmiri
>> Pandits ) from their land.
>>
>> I would like to hear your opinion on the very threat itself.
>> Perhaps it is was just an immature outburst, you would think. As
>> an Indian in the US, would any Indian national/organization get
>> away by threatening the Americans in their own country? I am all
>> ears. On the lungi menace itself, what is your final limit of
>> acceptance, meaning what do they( read B'deshis) have to do for
>> you to acknowledge that, "Yes, they are a threat to Assam."
>>
>> Also please stop blaming India for all of Assam's ills. Think it
>> has become a habit for you. The problem lies within. The Nagaland
>> and Arunachal Govt has acted on it's own without any Indian Govt
>> support.
>>
>> JS
>>
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>> On 01/08/2007, at 8:55 PM, Chan Mahanta wrote:
>>
>>> >likes of Hiteswar Saikia, Prafulla Mahanta and now Tarun Gogoi.
>>>
>>>
>>> *** That has covered the gamut of the choices made available by
>>> desi-democrasy. What is left to be tried? Don't tell me ---
>>> Togadia, Narendar Modi, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Awright , so WHAT would their plan be? How would they go about
>>> doing what you want done?
>>>
>>>
>>> Or how about how YOU see it done? Please--don't repeat that
>>> earlier scheme that you had against ULFA and its sympathizers.
>>> Does not work. Really!
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps you would consider raising a new insurgency group, one
>>> that would not take shelter in B'desh, so they can rid you of the
>>> lunigi-menace? Would that work?
>>>
>>>
>>> I am very curious about the possibilities, having came upon a
>>> blank wall, sort of, long ago; other than absorbing those that
>>> came earlier and reducing the flow in the future. Except , WHO
>>> will perform the latter ? India won't. Assam has no resource it
>>> controls. Compound that with the hardest of all--choosing someone
>>> in Assam who can act independently, without acceding to the
>>> Indian system and its controls, which has failed you again and
>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>> WE will be all ears.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 8:17 PM +0800 8/1/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
>>>> Unfortunately the tent can only stretch to a point and beyond
>>>> that it will break apart. Why not get rid of the camel.
>>>>
>>>> Today our 'honourable' CM has mentioned that only 38 of the
>>>> thousands pushed back from Nagaland and Arunachal are doubtful
>>>> citizens, rest belong to Assam. Will he then bring this up with
>>>> his counterparts in Nagaland and AP as to why Indian citizens
>>>> were pushed back. We have people in power who are more
>>>> interested in retaining their seats at any cost. We have fine
>>>> examples in recent history from the likes of Hiteswar Saikia,
>>>> Prafulla Mahanta and now Tarun Gogoi. That is the tragedy of Assam.
>>>> The situation is different in the tribal states where the Govt
>>>> is hand in glove with the drive of the students organisation and
>>>> is lending all support. The biggest insult was the CM asking the
>>>> AASU and AAMSU to work together to prevent infiltration. Isn't
>>>> AAMSU the very organisation that threatened the Assamese people?
>>>> How does AASU work with them when their goals are 180 degrees
>>>> apart. AASU wants Bangladeshis out and AAMSU wants to make Assam
>>>> a B'deshi colony?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>> On 01/08/2007, at 1:39 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >I don't think it is neither possible nor practical to push out
>>>>> the camel now after all those long >years. How about extending
>>>>> the tent and teach the camel how to co-exist. :)
>>>>> I like that. It would be even better if the camel promises to
>>>>> do just that and not to turn that area into a zoo. :)
>>>>>
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>>>>> "In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a
>>>>> tree and humble like a blade of grass"
>>>>> - Lakshmana
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:07:32 -0700
>>>>> From: mridul_mb at yahoo.com
>>>>> To: jsharma at iinet.net.au; assamrs at gmail.com
>>>>> CC: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] AAMSU threat to Assamese
>>>>> I don't think it is neither possible nor practical to push out
>>>>> the camel now after all those long years. How about extending
>>>>> the tent and teach the camel how to co-exist. :)
>>>>> Mridul Bhuyan
>>>>>
>>>>> Jyotirmoy Sharma <jsharma at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> That's a good story and amply reflects the current situation in
>>>>> Assam.
>>>>> We are in a situation where the camel is already halfway in the
>>>>> tent. It has to be pushed out before it pushes us out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/07/2007, at 9:46 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is this story of the Arab & his camel.
>>>>> It goes something like this (for those who don't know the story).
>>>>> The Arab had pitched his tent for the cold Arabian night (after
>>>>> having fed the camel).
>>>>> After sometime, the camel asked the Arab :"the night's so cold,
>>>>> if I could just put my nose inside the tent"
>>>>> The Arab, being kind-hearted and compassionate, readily agreed.
>>>>> Once the camel had his nose in, he wanted to get some more of
>>>>> himself inside the tent, and as predicted, the Arab agreed.
>>>>> As the night progressed, and well into the morning, the Arab
>>>>> found himself well outside the tent, while the 'poor' camel was
>>>>> resting comfortably inside, occupying the whole the tent.
>>>>> Late in the morning, the Arab, asked if he could share a small
>>>>> part of the tent - and guess what the camel told
>>>>> him............:) :) and how many of you think the Arab got his
>>>>> tent back?
>>>>> (no grand prizes for correct answers:))
>>>>> --Ram
>>>>> On 7/31/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma <jsharma at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> From the Sentinel editorial.
>>>>> I guess some(very few though) would laugh it off just as they have
>>>>> been laughing off the threats of the lungi menace or call it
>>>>> Islamic
>>>>> phobia.
>>>>> I strongly agree that their guts to threaten the Assamese
>>>>> people in
>>>>> lower Assam comes from numbers - that lower Assam -Dhubri,
>>>>> Goalpara
>>>>> and Barpeta have become their strongholds.
>>>>> Would any minority organisation be able to threaten the
>>>>> majority in
>>>>> any state in any country? What would be the consequences would be
>>>>> anyone's guess
>>>>> JS
>>>>>
>>>>> First they want a separate council.
>>>>>
>>>>> The AAMSU Notoriety
>>>>> Last Saturday, Ajijul Hussain Khondakar, chief organizing
>>>>> secretary
>>>>> of the All Assam Minorities Students' Union (AAMSU) came down
>>>>> heavily
>>>>> on the All Assam Students' Union (AASU) for the latter's new
>>>>> and just
>>>>> initiative to flush out illegal Bangladeshis from Asom,
>>>>> especially in
>>>>> the wake of the oust-Bangladeshi drive in neighbouring States.
>>>>> Khondakar also branded AASU advisor Samujjal Bhattacharyya as a
>>>>> ''Congress agent''. Take it this way: even if one believes that
>>>>> Bhattacharyya is a Congress agent, it does not produce any great
>>>>> unsettling effect, compounded by treason and conspiracy to
>>>>> decimate
>>>>> the Asomiya society, as the effect produced in the AAMSU's show of
>>>>> solidarity with illegal Bangladeshis after, of course, defining
>>>>> them
>>>>> as Indian 'minorities'. Which means even if Bhattacharyya is a
>>>>> Congress agent as the AAMSU would have us believe, that is not
>>>>> making
>>>>> him prone to any allegation that he is an agent of the ISI and
>>>>> Bangladeshi fundamentalist and terrorist organizations. (Just
>>>>> think
>>>>> how easily one would brand the AAMSU and its other varieties as
>>>>> cohorts in the ISI-Bangladeshi design for Asom.) Which further
>>>>> means
>>>>> if Bhattacharyya is indeed a Congress agent - hear this now, Mr
>>>>> Khondakar - the AAMSU should have nothing to say against him
>>>>> because
>>>>> a Congress agent, not mainstream leader, would obviously do
>>>>> everything clandestine to consolidate the Bangladeshi vote bank in
>>>>> Asom; after all, it is the Congress that has had the unique
>>>>> distinction of having worked out the perverse definition of
>>>>> illegal
>>>>> Bangladeshis in Asom as Indian 'minorities' to be eventually
>>>>> followed
>>>>> by even the AGP during its Dispur days. Mr Khondakar, are you
>>>>> still
>>>>> talking sense then?
>>>>> Be that as it may, the AAMSU notoriety is actually manifest in its
>>>>> assertion that it would go all out to protect the suspected
>>>>> Bangladeshis, who are being chased away by neighbouring States
>>>>> like
>>>>> Arunachal Pradesh and Nagaland, because they are not illegal
>>>>> Bangladeshis but Indian 'minorities'. And then, the AAMSU also
>>>>> threatened the Asomiyas in lower Asom of retaliation if the oust-
>>>>> Bangladeshi drive continued in the State which, as it would
>>>>> say, is
>>>>> nothing but an Asomiya ploy to harass the 'minorities'. The
>>>>> question
>>>>> is: How can an organization like the AAMSU have the guts to
>>>>> talk of
>>>>> retaliation against the Asomiyas in Asom? It can be answered in
>>>>> two
>>>>> ways. One, today the AAMSU mentality stems from the fact that
>>>>> most of
>>>>> lower Asom is dominated by what it calls 'minorities', thanks not
>>>>> only to illegal immigration from Bangladesh but also to their
>>>>> fertility rate. Today the AAMSU is confident of saying anything
>>>>> against the Asomiyas when it comes to lower Asom, because the
>>>>> organization knows how safe it is, and how safe the
>>>>> 'minorities' are,
>>>>> in this part of Asom. It is pretty clear who most of these so-
>>>>> called
>>>>> minorities are. And two, the AAMSU has the guts to talk against
>>>>> the
>>>>> Asomiyas because they foresee how Asom will look like, say, 10
>>>>> years
>>>>> down the line - as part of a greater Islamic state or, to use
>>>>> 'secular' language, a greater Bangladesh.
>>>>> It happens only in Asom, this AAMSU audacity to speak against the
>>>>> people of the State - the majority - despite living in this State,
>>>>> using its resources, and of course thriving even at the cost of
>>>>> the
>>>>> indigenous populace. And it happens because a meek government has
>>>>> chosen to place the party and its 'traditional' vote bank above
>>>>> the
>>>>> cause of the motherland.
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