[Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Thu Aug 16 12:15:53 PDT 2007
> >A couple of things off the head --- flyovers of
>Guwahati, Software Technology Park in Borjhar (though
>there are no takers because of threat to
>life/business), Tejpur University, the Golden
>quadrilateral road network connecting Assam to rest of
>India.
>I know Health/Primary education etc remains concern
..... but these matters are in State Govt's hand , why blame Delhi for these?
*** My apologies. That accounts for it for fairly well :-)
> >You mentioned that GOI allocated Rs. 300,000,000 a
>year for Assam ? If GOA cannot utilize it or misuses
>it, HOW GOI is to be blamed? How other states are
>utilizing it? How will you ensure that the GOA of
>Independent Assam will NOT misuse public fund ?
*** It was not just for Assam--it is for all the
NE states and Sikkim. I did not make it up.
And I did not say GOA could not use it and
returned it. Also the question here is NOT about
HOW I will change Assam Govt., because of MY
likelihood of doing that is kind of iffy. It is
about those from Assam devoted to the Indian
system--how does it plan to change it?
Why is that important? Because in its absence Assam's woes will not abate.
And since you speak for the Indians, perhaps you will enlighten us on that.
>You realy could not show who are the people who
>support Sovereignty (other then you) ?
*** Let us assume none exists. Let us not get
distracted by an imaginary impediment. And I am
only a foreign troublemaker with no following
and even lesser credibility. So leave this
'odhom' out. Why bring on a heart-burn
unnecessarily :-)?
>You have mentioned couple of times -- Assam is living life of beggar etc
*** Never mind WHO said that. But is it TRUE? Is
there any VALIDITY? Or is it a figment of
imagination of some foreign trouble-maker intent
on fomenting trouble for India, perhaps on an ISI
mission?
> >I would assume that this will be the most
>important point if you start a debate
. How
>will you ensure
>that the people of Assam will have a better life then what they have today
*** Again never mind about that imaginary
impediment of 'then'. Tell us what is happening
now and how that might lead to Assam's
betterment; forget about ENSURING it. What do you
see that you build your hopes on?
> >And with GOUSA going on a spree looting oil
>rich countries, are you sure they will not
>target Assam
> >soon ?
*** Can't wait for that to happen :-).
At 9:06 AM -0700 8/16/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote:
> >Printing articles
>> of Tavleen Singh
>> criticizing Delhi does not do a damn thing for
>> Assam.
>
>So, let us know why you publish those Or for that
>matter the news items on what Delhi or Mumbai police
>is doing?
>
>I don' t care
>> what India is
>> doing or when Indians are going to the moon or to
>> hell in a
>> hand-basket.
>
>Then why cry hoarse on Indian Education System ...
>you really do not care right ??
>
>
>> Can you or anybody else here explain why there is
>> nothing useful or
>> meaningful to show for Rs. 300,000,000 a year for
>> 32,000,000 people
>> of the region?
>
>A couple of things off the head --- flyovers of
>Guwahati, Software Technology Park in Borjhar (though
>there are no takers because of threat to
>life/business), Tejpur University, the Golden
>quadrilateral road network connecting Assam to rest of
>India.
>I know Health/Primary education etc remains concern
>..... but these matters are in State Govt's hand ,
>why blame Delhi for these? There have been umpteen
>cases where funds allocated have been returned
>unutilized and/or shared by top Assamese officials
>with blessing of Dispur ....where does GOI comes in
>picture here ???
>
>You mentioned that GOI allocated Rs. 300,000,000 a
>year for Assam ? If GOA cannot utilize it or misuses
>it, HOW GOI is to be blamed? How other states are
>utilizing it? How will you ensure that the GOA of
>Independent Assam will NOT misuse public fund ?
>
>You realy could not show who are the people who
>support Sovereignty (other then you) ?
>
>You have mentioned couple of times -- Assam is living
>life of beggar etc
>
>why do you think Assam is living in dependency,
>beggars life etc.?
>
>If it is because Assam is a part of India, dont you
>think that in Independent Assam, all districts of
>Assam will be living in dependency, beggars life
>because Guwahati (or some other place) will be capital
>of Independent Assam and will "loot" from these
>districts
.. so we just shift our target from Delhi
>to Guwahati?
>
>Tea and Petroleum, the two major resources of Assam,
>are concentrated in certain districts ... not spread
>evenly across Assam. Don't you think these districts
>will then start asking for Independence from Assam?
>And drill it down further ... every town will want to
>be a Independent Country.
>
>
>
>If you think things will be different, why? What is
>your model?
>
>
>
>How do you envision an independent Assam? What are
>your objectives and how you plan to achieve those ?
>
>
>
>I would assume that this will be the most important
>point if you start a debate
. How will you ensure
>that the people of Assam will have a better life then
>what they have today and how will you ensure that
>there will be no further disintegration (with 100+
>militant groups in NE, seems like we need to have
>100+ countries in NE )? How will you handle the
>illegal immigration issue?
>
>You have been harping on India/Delhi's evils. How do
>we know that we are not moving to a greater evil?
>Given the experience of managing Dispur by our one
>time great student leaders, we need some concrete plan
>and proof how you can give us a Xonor Axom ? We also
>need to know the credibility of People who are going
>to run the (Islamic ?) republic of Assam?
>With all of Assam's population right from bureaucrats
>to School Teachers to Journalists opposing Soverignty,
>who are the people who will work with you and why ?
>
>In last one decade you have been asking for
>Independence citing evils of India but have always
>eluded when it came to answering HOW you are going to
>give us a better life and how you are going to run the
>show.
>
>And with GOUSA going on a spree looting oil rich
>countries, are you sure they will not target Assam
>soon ?
>
>
>
>On a different context, I just noticed Assam.org
>mentions that Assam produces over half of India's
>petroleum. However, on a GOI site, I found that
>Assam & Nagaland Produces around 13% of India's
>Petroleum . Does anyone know what is the correct
>figure?
>
>
>
>--- Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I am perfectly willing to hear about Indian reforms
>> that are real,
>> achievable , sustainable and addresses the issues
>> involving Assam ,
>> its disaffections and its progress. But let us get
>> one thing straight
>> first: It is NOT about ME. Wouldn't YOU want to hear
>> about it?
>> Wouldn't ALL want to hear of it?
>>
>> To charge, as an argument, that I don't want to hear
>> of it 'in the
>> Indian framework' ( heh-heh, that must be some
>> framework alright) is
>> the most preposterous proposition one can imagine.
>> But these
>> inquisitions have been mostly that, over and over
>> again.
>>
>>
>> If I did not, I would not ask Indian flag-wavers to
>> propose them.
>> Jairam Ramesh could propose them, or Laloo Yadav or
>> even Narendra
>> Modi. I have been waiting for twenty five years to
>> see it happen,
>> even in little increments, but perceptibly and
>> making a difference.
>>
>> However it does not take a genius to see where
>> Ramesh
>> stood--throwing in the towel , with his comment.
>>
>> Critical essays are not enough. Nor is
>> chest-thumping demonizing
>> Tarun Gogoi or Prafulla Mahanta. Printing articles
>> of Tavleen Singh
>> criticizing Delhi does not do a damn thing for
>> Assam. One needs to
>> look at Assam's unique problems and help find
>> solutions for them.
>> Obviously Indian governance has not been able to do
>> that for sixty
>> years. That is easily understandable. Indian
>> governance has remained
>> as dysfunctional as it always have been. They are
>> unable seek out
> > people who have better ideas, achievable ideas, from
>> outside the
>> establishment if they have to, Import them if they
>> must.
>>
>> Show me one thing from the Indian press that has
>> attempted to deal
>> substantially with Assam issues, pinpoint problems
>> and offer
>> solutions.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Yes, open your eyes and see how India is improving
>>
>> *** How does is that helping Assam? I don' t care
>> what India is
>> doing or when Indians are going to the moon or to
>> hell in a
>> hand-basket. Show me how it is helping Assam.
>>
>> Can you or anybody else here explain why there is
>> nothing useful or
>> meaningful to show for Rs. 300,000,000 a year for
>> 32,000,000 people
>> of the region? Don't forget your 65% voter
>> participated election
>> generated democratic government running the show.
>>
>> But I won't hold my breath on anyone touching that
>> subject, unless
>> wrapped with a thick tarpaulin of 'no-comprendo' or
>> some other
>> insulating device :-).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 11:22 AM -0700 8/15/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
>> wrote:
>> >--- Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ram,
>> >>
>> >> Your response here , unfortunately, smacks of
>> the
>> >> immensely
>> >> uncreative and unimaginative but argumentative
>> one.
>> >> It fits right in
>> >> the mold of the Indian govt. policies spanning
>> >> decades, uncreative,
>> >> unproductive, stuck in the muck of their own
>> >> creations.
>> >>
>> >> You have no goal here, nothing to aim for,
>> >> quarreling for the sake of
>> >> quarreling; very similar to what some of these
>> >> journalists have been
>> >> doing. So I can understand your empathy for the
>> >> targets of my
>> >> criticism.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Could you tell us what is wrong or bad in my
>> >> suggestions? NO.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yes, your suggestions revolve around Sovereign
>> Assam
>> > and you do not want to hear anything which
>> suggest
>> >improvement within Indian framework (similar to the
>> >saying which you mentioned). The Assam Press have
>> >been a lot critical of GOI/GOA policies and steps
>> then
>> >you but the difference is they do constructive
>> >criticism and they do see some of the improvements
>> of
>> >India/Assam too. Whether GOI/GOA take any lesson
>> >from their criticizm is a different story (just the
>> >way your GOUSA not always learn lessons from US
> > >Press).
>> >You have in fact discounted the whole of Indian
>> Press
>> >under Desi-Demokrasy but you are the one who uses
>> >articles by Tavleen Singh and others as well as
>> news
>> >reports from Indian news papers to kill GOI/GOA.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Could you present a better alternative? None!
>> >
>> >Yes, open your eyes and see how India is improving
>> >.... shed the arms and be a part of this
>> development.
>> > there are a number of private investors who are
>> eager
>> >to invest in smaller towns and cities only if there
>> is
>> >no threat to their life/business
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And could you explain the contradiction in the
>> >> claim about
>> >>
>> >> > "------During last couple of elections Assam
>> has
>> >> witnessed at
>> >> > >least 65% or more vote casting. This
>> essentially
>> >> >means that at least 65% of Assam's
>> people
>> >> believe in
>> >> >Indian Constitution.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> that Krishnendu posted, echoing your and others'
>> > > claims of elections
>> >> as a proof of Assam voters' issue awareness or
>> >> informed expression
>> >> of preferences as it relates to the B'deshi
>> >> immigration issue and
>> >> the GoI/GoA's non-acknowledgement and inaction
>> over
>> >> it, while that
>> >> segment of the Assam press that cries hoarse
>> over
>> >> it and whom you
>> >> are attempting to shield from criticisms here ?
>> >
>> >Thanks for rejecting the voting by Indian/Assamese
>> >population. This really shows how much willing
>> you
>> >are to accept the verdict of people. You will
>> surely
>> >reject the referendum on similar flimsy ground that
>> >these people do not know what they are doing. And
>> >before you jump on debate and discussion , if
>> there
>> >is a really free platform to debate (without
>> threats
> > >from some sections), there will be many more voice
>> >rejecting the Sovereignty issue.
>> >
>> >As you have noticed, the Assamese intellegsia has
>> >already rejected Sovereign Assam theory (if you
>> think
>> >otherwise, tell me 10 prominent people of Assam who
>> >support it); you have already rejected the voting
>> by
>>
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