[Assam] Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly-Reply to Chitta
Krishnendu Chakraborty
krish_gau at yahoo.com
Sat Aug 25 15:57:36 PDT 2007
> *** Yes, they do depend on them , to a degree. You
> don't get to go
> to to topmost schools on the basis of SAT or GRE
> scores alone. There
What you are admiting is these tests are the "primary"
criteria. You may consider other aspects but will your
top school consider a student who scores extreme low
in SAT/GRE etc?
Since Indian students trained through Indian Education
scores good in these exams, by your argument I assume
these tests are designed to test the rote memory.
> And if I was NOT wrong, can I still be right with
> relying on easily
> verifiable info available there?
As a matter of fact, you swing per your convenience.
For example, when Indian Press writes against your
views, you decry Indian Press but again when you find
a article criticizing India you are the first one to
highlight it.
If you think some info is easily verifiable, why pick
it from Wiki, why not from authoratative sources?
> *** First off, it is NOT my education system. But it
> is a far far
> better one than the Indian one in many aspects.
> Education has many
> aspects, as ought to be clear to the educated. There
> are some aspects
> in which SOME Indian institutions do quite well.
> Math for example.
> But math excellence is not the be-all and end all of
> education. Nor
> is Physics or Chemistry or Stats or what have you.
>
> Indian institutions do produce reliable workers.
> But show us a few
> that helped change India's conditions with their
> creativity or their
> ingenuity.
Let me put the question again --
"HOW Indians from Indian Educational System come up
with flying colurs in US Schools?"
As per changing India's condition, people whose eyes
are not covered with blind hatred against India should
be able to easily see how India is moving ahead
...... and I do not see a foregin hand behind this.
>
> *** How about an encore to enlighten an English
> language challenged
> fellow kharkhowa? I must have missed it, if not
> failed to comprehend
> its complexities.
>
Probably it will not make any impact on an American
but I cited two examples --- Flexcube which is a
Banking Software and considered No 1 Banking Software
in the World ... and automation of Indian stock
exchange .... but again, why would an American care if
Indian export increases, the Indian market shines and
key International players make a beeline to invest in
India.
Just check the top Mutual Funds of US and most of
those invests heavily in India because , unlike you,
they believe in Indian Growth story.
--- Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> > >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US
> tests
> ... so your education system also depends on tests.
>
>
> *** Yes, they do depend on them , to a degree. You
> don't get to go
> to to topmost schools on the basis of SAT or GRE
> scores alone. There
> again are nuances. Most big name schools would
> consider a LDC
> student, even if she can't quite measure up to the
> standards their US
> counterparts to get in. That is how many Indian
> students get in to
> Harvard, MIT, etc. , even though they might not
> quite measure up to
> the other intangibles that they weigh as predictors
> of a likelihood
> for success. So, unlike Indian dedication to '
> testocracy' ( you
> heard it here first ) as the most sophisticated tool
> as a predictor
> of success, the US system has other tools they use.
>
> However I won't hold that against you. One has to
> learn somewhere. I did too.
>
> **** But creativity is NOT an essential item in
> these calculations.
> Because society does require skilled grunts as well.
> Reliable number
> crunchers, accurate paper-pushers, shrewd
> manipulators -- all have a
> place in society; any society. But those societies
> who have shined,
> moved ahead in the world also had those creative
> thinkers and doers
> in their midst who could think outside the box as
> the cliche' goes
> and break new ground, without which you get what
> India is. While the
> jury is still out as to how creativity can be
> inculcated, there are
> widely accepted means out there, producing results.
> And math. tables
> are not it.
>
>
> > Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites (BTW
>
>
> *** Was I wrong in decrying Wiki being accepted as
> the authority?
> What is your opinion?
> And if I was NOT wrong, can I still be right with
> relying on easily
> verifiable info available there?
> Those appear contradictory only to the simple
> minded. I would have
> hoped you are a cut above.
>
>
>
> >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying
> colours under
> >YOUR education system or WHY >youreducation system
> DOES NOT test
> >for creativity
>
>
> *** First off, it is NOT my education system. But it
> is a far far
> better one than the Indian one in many aspects.
> Education has many
> aspects, as ought to be clear to the educated. There
> are some aspects
> in which SOME Indian institutions do quite well.
> Math for example.
> But math excellence is not the be-all and end all of
> education. Nor
> is Physics or Chemistry or Stats or what have you.
>
> Indian institutions do produce reliable workers.
> But show us a few
> that helped change India's conditions with their
> creativity or their
> ingenuity.
>
> >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which
> you probably
> >could not comprehend ....
>
> *** How about an encore to enlighten an English
> language challenged
> fellow kharkhowa? I must have missed it, if not
> failed to comprehend
> its complexities.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:09 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
> wrote:
> > > *** That would be the response of someone who
> cannot
> > > IMAGINE anything
> >> beyond 'teaching and testing'.
> >
> >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US
> tests
> >... so your education system also depends on tests.
> >And what they test for ? To check how good a
> person
> >can rote? And a person who shines in these tests
> (has
> >exceptional rote memory) goes to the best Schools.
> >
> >>>>Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing
> the
> >creative process: Of analyzing, hypothesizing,
> finding
> >solutions different from the expected or the given.
> >
> >***** Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites
> (BTW
> >was it you who decried wiki a couple of days back
> ?)
> >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying
> >colours under YOUR education system or WHY your
> >education system DOES NOT test for creativity.
> >
> >As usual, you are twisting, drifting away from
> >original question.
> >
> >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which
> >you probably could not comprehend .... damned
> English
> >:)
> >
> >>They can do great
> >> math,
> >
> >Was it you who said that Indian Math foundation is
> >weak ??
> >
> >--- Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 9:34 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
> >> wrote:
> >> >hmmm... I am missing something ....
> >> >
> >> >so in your ideal education system you teach
> >> something
> >> >and test for something else ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *** That would be the response of someone who
> cannot
> >> IMAGINE anything
> >> beyond 'teaching and testing'.
> >>
> >> Goes to prove my point again and again.
> >>
> >> Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing
> the
> >> creative process:
> >> Of analyzing, hypothesizing, finding solutions
> >> different from the
> >> expected or the given.
> >>
> >> It has become a cultural marker. They can do
> great
> >> math, play
> >> walking encyclopedias , be great spelling bees,
> do
> >> complex
> >> engineering computations. But look at India's
> >> innovations ,
> >> creativity. There is nothing to show for , even
> with
> >> all that
> >> brain-power crunching numbers or writing complex
> >> codes.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >>
> >> Your arguments are perfect illustrations.
> >>
> >>
> >> Now try this too:
> >>
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity#History_of_the_term_and_the_concept
>
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