[Assam] Banking on Banking Software
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Sun Aug 26 09:00:21 PDT 2007
>that those who are comin to US have no affinity
>to the country as such--- that seems to define
>you as well.
*** Affinity to WHAT country?
At 8:42 AM -0700 8/26/07, umesh sharma wrote:
>C-da,
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>some time back I posted snopsis of the US study
>showing that those who are comin to US have no
>affinity to the country as such (it was about
>international students but can be applicable to
>all workers in US) or to any country - that
>seems to define you as well.
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>You wrote:
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>***I probably was no different, but mercifully I
>have no national identity baggage unlike you
>guys that prevented me from learning; by
>observing, reading, asking a lot of dumb
>questions--whatever it took.
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>Umesh
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>Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Re: [Assam] Banking on Banking Software
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>Hi Umesh:
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>Have you come across the term IRONY ?
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>Can't you see the irony in Krishnendu's offering
>of Flex-Cube as India's sole contribution to
>creativity ? Obviously he could not find
>anything else. Even *I* could have listed more.
>How simple-minded can one get?
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>How many Indians have bank accounts? And how has
>Flex-Cube helped Indians better their lives? It
>might generate more profit for American banks.
>So do a great many other things that desis do
>for them.
>But is that even a relevant accomplishment to
>wave as an example of Indian creativity,
>ingenuity?
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>I'll go a step further: OK, fine--Flex-cube is a
>genuine piece of Indian ingenuity and that is an
>unchallengeable record of desi-achievements .
>Good for India. But WHAT DOES THAT prove? That
>Indian education fosters creativity, ingenuity?
>Does it?
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>But people like you, Krishnendu and others like
>you can reasonably be expected to be more
>analytical, more discerning than you guys
>present yourselves as. But I know pretty darn
>well why. And I don't blame it on you guys. But
>I do hold you responsible for holding your own
>potentials back with the dogma of what you carry
>around as national pride built on a swampy
>record. I probably was no different, but
>mercifully I have no national identity baggage
>unlike you guys that prevented me from learning;
>by observing, reading, asking a lot of dumb
>questions--whatever it took.
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>At 10:25 PM -0700 8/25/07, umesh sharma wrote:
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>>C-da,
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>Every nation has ists share of poor people . If
>one group is trying to excel make some great
>software that is no way linked to poor people in
>the city. Do you know that even outside Harvard
>campus there are plenty of homeless people and
>very poor African Americans styaing in the area
>between Harvard and MIT - does that detract
>anything from the contributions by Harvard or
>MIT to the world at large and US in particular.
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>***
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States
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>Total Number
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>As many as 3.5 million people experience
>homelessness in a given year (1% of the entire
>U.S. population or 10% of its poor), and about
>842,000 people in any given
>week.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-9>[10]
>Familial
>composition<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-10>[11]
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>40% are families with children—the fastest growing segment.
>41% are single males.
>14% are single females.
>5% are minors unaccompanied by adults.
>1.37 million (or 39%) of the total homeless
>population are children under the age of
>18.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-11>[12]
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>Ethnicity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-12>[13]
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>49% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American>African
>American (compared to 11% of general population).
>35% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race>Caucasian
>(under-represented compared to 75% of general
>population).
>13% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic>Hispanic
>(compared to 10% of general population).
>2% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States>Native
>American (compared to 1% of general population).
>1% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian-American>Asian-American
>(under-represented compared to 4% of general
>population).
>Umesh
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>Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> >Flexcube which is a Banking Software and considered No 1 Banking
>>Software in the World ...
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>*** I am most impressed. It was my abject ignorance that caused me to
>overlook such an ingenious, earth-shattering desi-contribution to
>human civilization.
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>Now if only 30% desis had a bank account to play with, we just might
>laugh all the way to the bank.
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>Desi-creativity and desi-ingenuity, thy name is Krishnendu!
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>At 3:57 PM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote:
>> > *** Yes, they do depend on them , to a degree. You
>>> don't get to go
>>> to to topmost schools on the basis of SAT or GRE
>>> scores alone. There
>>
>>
>>What you are admiting is these tests are the "primary"
>>criteria. You may consider other aspects but will your
>>top school consider a student who scores extreme low
>>in SAT/GRE etc?
>>Since Indian students trained through Indian Education
>>scores good in these exams, by your argument I assume
>>these tests are designed to test the rote memory.
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>>> And if I was NOT wrong, can I still be right with
>>> relying on easily
>>> verifiable info available there?
>>
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>>As a matter of fact, you swing per your convenience.
>>For example, when Indian Press writes against your
>>views, you decry Indian Press but again when you find
>>a article criticizing India you are the first one to
>>highlight it.
>>If you think some info is easily verifiable, why pick
>>it from Wiki, why not from authoratative sources?
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>>> *** First off, it is NOT my education system. But it
>>> is a far far
>>> better one than the Indian one in many aspects.
>>> Education has many
>>> aspects, as ought to be clear to the educated. There
>>> are some aspects
>>> in which SOME Indian institutions do quite well.
>>> Math for example.
>>> But math excellence is not the be-all and end all of
>>> education. Nor
>>> is Physics or Chemistry or Stats or what have you.
>>>
>>> Indian institutions do produce reliable workers.
>>> But show us a few
>>> that helped change India's conditions with their
>>> creativity or their
>>> ingenuity.
>>
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>>Let me put the question again --
>>"HOW Indians from Indian Educational System come up
>>with flying colurs in US Schools?"
>>As per changing India's condition, people whose eyes
>>are not covered with blind hatred against India should
>>be able to easily see how India is moving ahead
>>...... and I do not see a foregin hand behind this.
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>>>
>>> *** How about an encore to enlighten an English
>>> language challenged
>>> fellow kharkhowa? I must have missed it, if not
>>> failed to comprehend
>>> its complexities.
>>>
>>
>>Probably it will not make any impact on an American
>>but I cited two examples --- Flexcube which is a
>>Banking Software and considered No 1 Banking Software
>>in the World ... and automation of Indian stock
>>exchange .... but again, why would an American care if
>>Indian export increases, the Indian market shines and
>>key International players make a beeline to invest in
>>India.
>>Just check the top Mutual Funds of US and most of
>>those invests heavily in India because , unlike you,
>>they believe in Indian Growth story.
>>
>>--- Chan Mahanta wrote:
>>
>>> > >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US
>>> tests
>>> ... so your education system also depends on tests.
>>>
>>>
>>> *** Yes, they do depend on them , to a degree. You
>>> don't get to go
>>> to to topmost schools on the basis of SAT or GRE
>>> scores alone. There
>>> again are nuances. Most big name schools would
>>> consider a LDC
>>> student, even if she can't quite measure up to the
>>> standards their US
>>> counterparts to get in. That is how many Indian
>>> students get in to
>>> Harvard, MIT, etc. , even though they might not
>>> quite measure up to
>>> the other intangibles that they weigh as predictors
>>> of a likelihood
>>> for success. So, unlike Indian dedication to '
>>> testocracy' ( you
>>> heard it here first ) as the most sophisticated tool
>>> as a predictor
>>> of success, the US system has other tools they use.
> >>
>>> However I won't hold that against you. One has to
>> > learn somewhere. I did too.
>>>
>>> **** But creativity is NOT an essential item in
>>> these calculations.
>>> Because society does require skilled grunts as well.
>>> Reliable number
>>> crunchers, accurate paper-pushers, shrewd
>>> manipulators -- all have a
>> > place in society; any society. But those societies
>>> who have shined,
>>> moved ahead in the world also had those creative
>>> thinkers and doers
>>> in their midst who could think outside the box as
>>> the cliche' goes
>>> and break new ground, without which you get what
>
> >> India is. While the
>>> jury is still out as to how creativity can be
>>> inculcated, there are
>>> widely accepted means out there, producing results.
>>> And math. tables
>>> are not it.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites (BTW
>>>
>>>
>>> *** Was I wrong in decrying Wiki being accepted as
>>> the authority?
>>> What is your opinion?
>>> And if I was NOT wrong, can I still be right with
>>> relying on easily
>>> verifiable info available there?
>>> Those appear contradictory only to the simple
>>> minded. I would have
>>> hoped you are a cut above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying
>>> colours under
>>> >YOUR education system or WHY >youreducation system
>>> DOES NOT test
>>> >for creativity
>>>
>>>
>>> *** First off, it is NOT my education system. But it
>>> is a far far
>>> better one than the Indian one in many aspects.
>>> Education has many
>>> aspects, as ought to be clear to the educated. There
>>> are some aspects
>>> in which SOME Indian institutions do quite well.
>>> Math for example.
>>> But math excellence is not the be-all and end all of
>>> education. Nor
>>> is Physics or Chemistry or Stats or what have you.
>>>
>>> Indian institutions do produce reliable workers.
>>> But show us a few
>>> that helped change India's conditions with their
>>> creativity or their
>>> ingenuity.
>>>
>>> >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which
>>> you probably
>>> >could not comprehend ....
>>>
>>> *** How about an encore to enlighten an English
>>> language challenged
>>> fellow kharkhowa? I must have missed it, if not
>>> failed to comprehend
>>> its complexities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:09 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
>>> wrote:
>>> > > *** That would be the response of someone who
>>> cannot
>>> > > IMAGINE anything
>>> >> beyond 'teaching and testing'.
>>> >
>>> >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US
>>> tests
>>> >... so your education system also depends on tests.
>>> >And what they test for ? To check how good a
>>> person
>>> >can rote? And a person who shines in these tests
>>> (has
>>> >exceptional rote memory) goes to the best Schools.
>>> >
>>> >>>>Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing
>>> the
>>> >creative process: Of analyzing, hypothesizing,
>>> finding
>>> >solutions different from the expected or the given.
>>> >
>>> >***** Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites
>>> (BTW
>>> >was it you who decried wiki a couple of days back
>>> ?)
>>> >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying
>>> >colours under YOUR education system or WHY your
>>> >education system DOES NOT test for creativity.
>>> >
>>> >As usual, you are twisting, drifting away from
>>> >original question.
>>> >
>>> >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which
>>> >you probably could not comprehend .... damned
>>> English
>>> >:)
>>> >
>>> >>They can do great
>>> >> math,
>>> >
>>> >Was it you who said that Indian Math foundation is
>>> >weak ??
>>> >
>>> >--- Chan Mahanta wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> At 9:34 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >hmmm... I am missing something ....
>>> >> >
>>> >> >so in your ideal education system you teach
>>> >> something
>>> >> >and test for something else ?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> *** That would be the response of someone who
>>> cannot
>>> >> IMAGINE anything
>>> >> beyond 'teaching and testing'.
>>> >>
>>> >> Goes to prove my point again and again.
>>> >>
>>> >> Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing
>>> the
>>> >> creative process:
>>> >> Of analyzing, hypothesizing, finding solutions
> >> >> different from the
>>> >> expected or the given.
>>> >>
>>> >> It has become a cultural marker. They can do
>>> great
>>> >> math, play
>>> >> walking encyclopedias , be great spelling bees,
>> > do
>>> >> complex
>>> >> engineering computations. But look at India's
>>> >> innovations ,
>>> >> creativity. There is nothing to show for , even
>>> with
>>> >> all that
>> > >> brain-power crunching numbers or writing complex
>>> >> codes.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why?
>>> >>
>>> >> Your arguments are perfect illustrations.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Now try this too:
>>> >>
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity#History_of_the_term_and_the_concept
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>>=== message truncated ===
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