[Assam] Banking on Banking Software
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Sun Aug 26 09:12:28 PDT 2007
>to any country. go where more opportunities.
*** But that has nothing to do with
desi-defensiveness about admitting what is wrong
of where they came from.Why do you guys get so
defensive when someone points out something about
India that is not flattering and go to absurd
lengths, making yourselves look pitiably immature
if not altogether foolish?
To be able to admit to an issue is the first step
towards being able to contribute something
towards its correction.
At 9:03 AM -0700 8/26/07, umesh sharma wrote:
>to any country. go where more opportunities.
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>Umesh
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>Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Re: [Assam] Banking on Banking Software
> >that those who are comin to US have no
>affinity to the country as such--- that seems to
>define you as well.
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>*** Affinity to WHAT country?
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>At 8:42 AM -0700 8/26/07, umesh sharma wrote:
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>>C-da,
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>some time back I posted snopsis of the US study
>showing that those who are comin to US have no
>affinity to the country as such (it was about
>international students but can be applicable to
>all workers in US) or to any country - that
>seems to define you as well.
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>You wrote:
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>***I probably was no different, but mercifully I
>have no national identity baggage unlike you
>guys that prevented me from learning; by
>observing, reading, asking a lot of dumb
>questions--whatever it took.
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>Umesh
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>Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Re: [Assam] Banking on Banking Software
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>Hi Umesh:
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>Have you come across the term IRONY ?
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>Can't you see the irony in Krishnendu's offering
>of Flex-Cube as India's sole contribution to
>creativity ? Obviously he could not find
>anything else. Even *I* could have listed more.
>How simple-minded can one get?
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>How many Indians have bank accounts? And how has
>Flex-Cube helped Indians better their lives? It
>might generate more profit for American banks.
>So do a great many other things that desis do
>for them.
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>But is that even a relevant accomplishment to
>wave as an example of Indian creativity,
>ingenuity?
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>I'll go a step further: OK, fine--Flex-cube is a
>genuine piece of Indian ingenuity and that is an
>unchallengeable record of desi-achievements .
>Good for India. But WHAT DOES THAT prove? That
>Indian education fosters creativity, ingenuity?
>Does it?
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>But people like you, Krishnendu and others like
>you can reasonably be expected to be more
>analytical, more discerning than you guys
>present yourselves as. But I know pretty darn
>well why. And I don't blame it on you guys. But
>I do hold you responsible for holding your own
>potentials back with the dogma of what you carry
>around as national pride built on a swampy
>record. I probably was no different, but
>mercifully I have no national identity baggage
>unlike you guys that prevented me from learning;
>by observing, reading, asking a lot of dumb
>questions--whatever it took.
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>At 10:25 PM -0700 8/25/07, umesh sharma wrote:
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>>C-da,
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>Every nation has ists share of poor people . If
>one group is trying to excel make some great
>software that is no way linked to poor people in
>the city. Do you know that even outside Harvard
>campus there are plenty of homeless people and
>very poor African Americans styaing in the area
>between Harvard and MIT - does that detract
>anything from the contributions by Harvard or
>MIT to the world at large and US in particular.
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>***
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States
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>Total Number
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>As many as 3.5 million people experience
>homelessness in a given year (1% of the entire
>U.S. population or 10% of its poor), and about
>842,000 people in any given
>week.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-9>[10]
>Familial
>composition<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-10>[11]
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>40% are families with children—the fastest growing segment.
>41% are single males.
>14% are single females.
>5% are minors unaccompanied by adults.
>1.37 million (or 39%) of the total homeless
>population are children under the age of
>18.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-11>[12]
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>Ethnicity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#_note-12>[13]
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>49% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American>African
>American (compared to 11% of general population).
>35% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race>Caucasian
>(under-represented compared to 75% of general
>population).
>13% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic>Hispanic
>(compared to 10% of general population).
>2% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States>Native
>American (compared to 1% of general population).
>1% are
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian-American>Asian-American
>(under-represented compared to 4% of general
>population).
>Umesh
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>Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> >Flexcube which is a Banking Software and considered No 1 Banking
>>Software in the World ...
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>*** I am most impressed. It was my abject ignorance that caused me to
>overlook such an ingenious, earth-shattering desi-contribution to
>human civilization.
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>Now if only 30% desis had a bank account to play with, we just might
>laugh all the way to the bank.
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>Desi-creativity and desi-ingenuity, thy name is Krishnendu!
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>At 3:57 PM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote:
>> > *** Yes, they do depend on them , to a degree. You
>>> don't get to go
>>> to to topmost schools on the basis of SAT or GRE
>>> scores alone. There
>>
>>
>>What you are admiting is these tests are the "primary"
>>criteria. You may consider other aspects but will your
>>top school consider a student who scores extreme low
>>in SAT/GRE etc?
>>Since Indian students trained through Indian Education
>>scores good in these exams, by your argument I assume
>>these tests are designed to test the rote memory.
>>
>>> And if I was NOT wrong, can I still be right with
>>> relying on easily
>>> verifiable info available there?
>>
>>
>>As a matter of fact, you swing per your convenience.
>>For example, when Indian Press writes against your
>>views, you decry Indian Press but again when you find
>>a article criticizing India you are the first one to
>>highlight it.
>>If you think some info is easily verifiable, why pick
>>it from Wiki, why not from authoratative sources?
>>
>>> *** First off, it is NOT my education system. But it
>>> is a far far
>>> better one than the Indian one in many aspects.
>>> Education has many
>>> aspects, as ought to be clear to the educated. There
>>> are some aspects
>>> in which SOME Indian institutions do quite well.
>>> Math for example.
>>> But math excellence is not the be-all and end all of
>>> education. Nor
>>> is Physics or Chemistry or Stats or what have you.
>>>
>>> Indian institutions do produce reliable workers.
>>> But show us a few
>>> that helped change India's conditions with their
>>> creativity or their
>>> ingenuity.
>>
>>
>>Let me put the question again --
>>"HOW Indians from Indian Educational System come up
>>with flying colurs in US Schools?"
>>As per changing India's condition, people whose eyes
>>are not covered with blind hatred against India should
>>be able to easily see how India is moving ahead
>>...... and I do not see a foregin hand behind this.
>>
>>>
>>> *** How about an encore to enlighten an English
>>> language challenged
>>> fellow kharkhowa? I must have missed it, if not
>>> failed to comprehend
>>> its complexities.
>>>
>>
>>Probably it will not make any impact on an American
>>but I cited two examples --- Flexcube which is a
>>Banking Software and considered No 1 Banking Software
>>in the World ... and automation of Indian stock
>>exchange .... but again, why would an American care if
>>Indian export increases, the Indian market shines and
>>key International players make a beeline to invest in
>>India.
>>Just check the top Mutual Funds of US and most of
>>those invests heavily in India because , unlike you,
>>they believe in Indian Growth story.
>>
>>--- Chan Mahanta wrote:
>>
>>> > >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US
> >> tests
>>> ... so your education system also depends on tests.
>>>
>>>
>>> *** Yes, they do depend on them , to a degree. You
>>> don't get to go
>>> to to topmost schools on the basis of SAT or GRE
>>> scores alone. There
>>> again are nuances. Most big name schools would
>>> consider a LDC
>>> student, even if she can't quite measure up to the
>>> standards their US
>>> counterparts to get in. That is how many Indian
>>> students get in to
>>> Harvard, MIT, etc. , even though they might not
>>> quite measure up to
>>> the other intangibles that they weigh as predictors
>>> of a likelihood
>>> for success. So, unlike Indian dedication to '
>>> testocracy' ( you
>>> heard it here first ) as the most sophisticated tool
>>> as a predictor
>>> of success, the US system has other tools they use.
>
> >>
>>> However I won't hold that against you. One has to
>> > learn somewhere. I did too.
>>>
>>> **** But creativity is NOT an essential item in
>>> these calculations.
>>> Because society does require skilled grunts as well.
>>> Reliable number
>>> crunchers, accurate paper-pushers, shrewd
>>> manipulators -- all have a
>> > place in society; any society. But those societies
>>> who have shined,
>>> moved ahead in the world also had those creative
>>> thinkers and doers
>>> in their midst who could think outside the box as
>>> the cliche' goes
>>> and break new ground, without which you get what
>
> >> India is. While the
>>> jury is still out as to how creativity can be
>>> inculcated, there are
>>> widely accepted means out there, producing results.
>>> And math. tables
>>> are not it.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites (BTW
>>>
>>>
>>> *** Was I wrong in decrying Wiki being accepted as
>>> the authority?
>>> What is your opinion?
>>> And if I was NOT wrong, can I still be right with
>>> relying on easily
>>> verifiable info available there?
>>> Those appear contradictory only to the simple
>>> minded. I would have
>>> hoped you are a cut above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying
>>> colours under
>>> >YOUR education system or WHY >youreducation system
>>> DOES NOT test
>>> >for creativity
>>>
>>>
>>> *** First off, it is NOT my education system. But it
>>> is a far far
>>> better one than the Indian one in many aspects.
>>> Education has many
>>> aspects, as ought to be clear to the educated. There
>>> are some aspects
>>> in which SOME Indian institutions do quite well.
>>> Math for example.
>>> But math excellence is not the be-all and end all of
>>> education. Nor
>>> is Physics or Chemistry or Stats or what have you.
>>>
>>> Indian institutions do produce reliable workers.
>>> But show us a few
>>> that helped change India's conditions with their
>>> creativity or their
>>> ingenuity.
>>>
>>> >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which
>>> you probably
>>> >could not comprehend ....
>>>
>>> *** How about an encore to enlighten an English
>>> language challenged
>>> fellow kharkhowa? I must have missed it, if not
>>> failed to comprehend
>>> its complexities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:09 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
>>> wrote:
>>> > > *** That would be the response of someone who
>>> cannot
>>> > > IMAGINE anything
>>> >> beyond 'teaching and testing'.
>>> >
>>> >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US
>>> tests
>>> >... so your education system also depends on tests.
>>> >And what they test for ? To check how good a
>>> person
>>> >can rote? And a person who shines in these tests
>>> (has
>>> >exceptional rote memory) goes to the best Schools.
>>> >
>>> >>>>Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing
>>> the
>>> >creative process: Of analyzing, hypothesizing,
>>> finding
>>> >solutions different from the expected or the given.
>>> >
>>> >***** Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites
>>> (BTW
>>> >was it you who decried wiki a couple of days back
>>> ?)
>>> >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying
>>> >colours under YOUR education system or WHY your
>>> >education system DOES NOT test for creativity.
>>> >
>>> >As usual, you are twisting, drifting away from
>>> >original question.
>>> >
>>> >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which
>>> >you probably could not comprehend .... damned
> >> English
>>> >:)
>>> >
>>> >>They can do great
>>> >> math,
>>> >
>>> >Was it you who said that Indian Math foundation is
>>> >weak ??
>>> >
>>> >--- Chan Mahanta wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> At 9:34 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >hmmm... I am missing something ....
>>> >> >
>>> >> >so in your ideal education system you teach
>>> >> something
>>> >> >and test for something else ?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> *** That would be the response of someone who
>>> cannot
>>> >> IMAGINE anything
>>> >> beyond 'teaching and testing'.
>>> >>
>>> >> Goes to prove my point again and again.
>>> >>
>>> >> Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing
>>> the
>>> >> creative process:
>>> >> Of analyzing, hypothesizing, finding solutions
>
> >> >> different from the
>>> >> expected or the given.
>>> >>
>>> >> It has become a cultural marker. They can do
>>> great
>>> >> math, play
>>> >> walking encyclopedias , be great spelling bees,
>> > do
>>> >> complex
>>> >> engineering computations. But look at India's
>>> >> innovations ,
>>> >> creativity. There is nothing to show for , even
>>> with
>>> >> all that
>> > >> brain-power crunching numbers or writing complex
>>> >> codes.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why?
>>> >>
>>> >> Your arguments are perfect illustrations.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Now try this too:
>>> >>
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity#History_of_the_term_and_the_concept
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> >>
>>=== message truncated ===
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