[Assam] [WaterWatch] EU says `Yes' but London says `No' to BIO-FUELS

Sun Dec 16 08:59:04 PST 2007

Dear Sri Santhanam and Dear Sri Pathania,

Q's......
#1  What great secret did CLRI patent?
#2  What VEL(Bhel?) will do with a few litres of Biodiesel--which is more for IC/CI engines  x millions?
#3  Why did R.Diesel kill himself--Really? Should'n't all Germans repent this every day--at least Mercedes?
#4  Why did President Kalam(What does he lecture on, these days?) go all Ga GA on Biodiesel?
#5  If Rohit saw the writing on the wall--why didn't he stop the Good President  "Stop-it won't work"
#6  What did the wise professors from Southern Univs discover --after all? And what was their Surprise? Or were they really ASTONISHED? --Which-Pray?
#7 Does India HAVE TO CARE what Europe thinks and Livingstone does not?We know India is a mere copyist.

As I see this thingie 
"Jatropha Spews Poison--but Pongamia does not"  is not science nor backed up by whole set of data over a century.
We have been seeing JATROPHA as low cost, plots -separating picket fence in all ASSAM villages since as long as I can remember(65 years+--).No usefor man or beast-till now. Seeds grow ,fall,propagate.Soil poisoned??Really?
 And Pongamia --this also supposed to have been brought over from South America---there are a few trees --somebody planted in towns in British days--certainly not for Bio diesel --agtain saw not fecund growth of plant life below Pongamia!!
As they say--'Do not change horses in midstream'--carry on the good work . I am sure a fewhundred million Jatropha Curcus have already been planted. 
Tell people "carry on -plant more and look after J----.Good days will SURELYcome"
And as I see--IT IS THE SCRAWNYgrowth of Jatropha which is unnerving the avid Jatropha-maniacs  now.
But seeing the wild luscious growth in Assam versus scrawny thousands planted on the Yamuna banks as we see travelling out of New Delhi towards Kanpur--yours truly is convinced of need of N,P,K by the Poor plants. Shit carried by Yamuna is not complete Jatropha food!!
So try planning feeding NPK to all Jatropha  and harbour no ideas of doing without these.
Do we need Biodiesel at all?
Yes-soon . Unless of course the Vajpayee Pet Projects--East-West  ,South-North Corridors are abandoned-and long-distance Trucks/Trains  disappear,  And people think 10 times before taking any Powered Vehicle ride.
Best Regards
Mahant

To: WaterWatch at yahoogroups.comFrom: rohit.pathania at gmail.comDate: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:58:44 +0530Subject: Re: [WaterWatch] EU says `Yes' but London says `No' to BIO-FUELS

A team of lecturers and professors from our college had actually gone on a field visit to the southern univerisities in Tamil NAdu that had had conducted studies about biodiesel from jatropha, and in their discussion, which our teachers had shared with us in some lectures, the findings that I had mentioned were discovered to the surprise of our lecturers, because our college hasd in fact been propagating the same  jatropha to PCRA, which has agreed to tadopt the reactor designs proposed by our college. About intercropping, the results have not been out, as it does take time for them to show. In fact, in my opinion, algal bioreactors could be the real key for a country like India, as the sacle at which we have paddy cultivation, we could obtain plenty of raw material easily without any consequences. Also, the methane that emits as a result from the rice fields could also be curbed to a certain extent by this action. And moreover, we might find a way of using the methane evolved as a fuel in a sustainable manner as well. 
As for the idea of using vegetable oil, it would not be suitable for countries like India, that have such a high edible oil consumption that we need to import palm oil from Maaysia. In my opinion, we have also not adequately explored the use of agricultural waste for developing biofuels, and attention needs to be diverted towards that front, as not only is it a better use of the waste, we would also not need any thing else especially for the purpose of making fuel.  
On 12/14/07, R. Santhanam <rsanthanam_delhi at yahoo.com> wrote: 

There is nothing wrong in commercialising a good technology and talking about it. Intellectuals rarely contribute to real development becuase of their tendency to get into hair splitting arguments. Sure we have made many wrong selection of technologies. Maybe Rudolph Disel's original version of a disel engine running on peanut oil was a better option than the oil coming from below the ground which then flooded the market at low prices. But then he committed suicide! 

I invite Mr Rohit Pathania to comment on this: 
http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=126664

It was s surprise to learn that Jatropha Curcas spews poison on the soil around. What about the intercropping experiments done at TNAU, in Coimbatore and elsewhere? They were supposed to improve the economics of cultivating Jatrophs whose oil based on yield per unit area of land has remained elusive in terms oif economic returns to the farmer despite many claims. 

I suppose Pongamia Pinnata does not have these toxic draw backs. The best example ofa Biofuel plantation fulfilling Triple Bottom Line is the rare case of top  University professor trekking to the hinterland and making a real change. 

http://www.goodnewsindia.com/Pages/content/discovery/honge.html 

I have also heard that the gene in Jatropha Curcas is recessive and this means seed propogation may introduce inbreeding and lower yields. Any comments?

Nobody is talking about Algal Biodisel in India. Lot of R&D is going on USA and this promises 30,000 gallons per acre and sequesters CO2 from carbon emitters like power plants using fossil fuels. Closed Bioreactors seem to be the best bet. 

Sincerely,

R. Santhanam

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