[Assam] Immigration policy

Mon Jul 9 17:11:43 PDT 2007

Haven't replied to your arguments ? If following rejoinder is not a '
reply',what else could it be ? I am pasting it again.

  I am an American citizen,of course naturalised.My parents have long been
> dead and my brothers and sisters are well-settled in Assam.They will never
> migrate to the USA at this time of life.
>
> Yes,you are right when you wrote " both family members and skilled
> professional have to apply thru the same channel " currently..That's the why
> I am concerned about the new immigration proposal,the one floated by the
> White House in which the visa granted under family reunification category
> will be done away with.And this was the moot point.The question of
> migration in relation to family members is tied to the question of migration
> in regard to the skilled workers and therefore the query of " who suffers
> more " should not arise.
>
> KJD
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> And given that there are many more in US who would like to bring along
> their relative than those who are in a position to get an employer to
> sponsor them ----- I believe that the overwhelming majority of Green Card
> applicatans to US (out of half a million Indians etc - and perhaps even more
> so for Mexicans)  are NOT the 'sharp skilled ones"  but those coming becos
> they have family connecions here.
>
> This is detrimental not only to US skilled
> labor/competitiveness  interests but also to those millions in other
> countires who have no family connections here but only their skills and
> determination to succeed. Since they are both in the same boat -- the
> skilled, smarts, non-family based Green Card applicants suffer
> disproportionately
>
> Regards.
>
> Umesh
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> *Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>* wrote:
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> Hi Umesh:
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> Allow me to butt in here for a moment.
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> I thought Kamal has clearly explained that his viewpoint is not due to
> some hidden or ulterior motives , like his plan or desire to bring his
> relatives into the USA.
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> And Santanu explained, although not in these many words,  what you, as an
> educated young man, ought to have learned by now; that when someone
> advocates a point or participates in a debate about socio-political issues,
> it does not necessarily mean he or she has a DIRECT personal  motive  behind
> the position they take.
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> That is why it is uncouth to pose questions like:
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> "  -- I wonder which category you are now in.  Are you trying to get a
> Green Card yourself (thru employment - like me ) or you are trying to get
> family members  come over from India."
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> I don't know why I have to play the bad guy in these exchanges , having
> to  explain things with the equivalent of a hit  on the head with a two by
> four :-(!
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> Subtlety, thy name is not desi!
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> At 7:52 PM -0700 7/8/07, umesh sharma wrote:
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> Santanu-da and Kamal-da,
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> Every debate has atleast two points of view and since Kamal-da and I seem
> to see things on this issue from opposite ends I assumed he has the opposite
> situation from mine. Perhaps he wants his relatives to come to US - just
> like most Latinos want to. On the other hand, those on work visas and
> student visas would like that they get the immigrant visa - so that they get
> set and perhaps get married and bring their wives along.
>
> Umesh
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> *kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>* wrote:
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> So well said,Santanu.
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> KJ
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> On 7/8/07,* Roy, Santanu* <sroy at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
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> I don't see why Mr. Deka's personal situation is relevant to this debate.
> It is unfair to pose that question and the strength of the arguments do not
> rest on that. It is a debate worth having and I certainly am learning from
> both the enunciation of both points of view.
>
> Santanu.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org on behalf of umesh sharma
> Sent: Sun 7/8/2007 11:21 AM
> To: kamal deka; assam at assamnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Immigration policy
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> Kamal-da,
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> At thde risk of sounding like singing Ba Ba Black Sheep let me remind you
> that as per current US immigration policy - both family members (siblings,
> parents etc) and 'sharp , skilled professionals" have to apply thru the same
> quota/channel.
>
> And given that there are many more in US who would like to bring along
> their relative than those who are in a position to get an employer to
> sponsor them ----- I believe that the overwhelming majority of Green Card
> applicatans to US (out of half a million Indians etc - and perhaps even more
> so for Mexicans)  are NOT the 'sharp skilled ones"  but those coming becos
> they have family connecions here.
>
> This is detrimental not only to US skilled
> labor/competitiveness  interests but also to those millions in other
> countires who have no family connections here but only their skills and
> determination to succeed. Since they are both in the same boat -- the
> skilled, smarts, non-family based Green Card applicants suffer
> disproportionately
>
> -- I wonder which category you are now in.  Are you trying to get a Green
> Card yourself (thru employment - like me ) or you are trying to get family
> members t come over from India.
>
> Umesh
>
> kamal deka < kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote: It is impossible for me to
> write  responses according to the individual level of comprehension.If I
> do that, I will land up writing---ba ba black ship.
>
> First, you tried to advance an argument saying that family reunification
> program was not there 500 years ago and therefore it should not be there
> fore ever.That is too facile of an argument to make.Every era or every age
> has its own   dynamics.What was held right 500 years ago may be perceived
> wrong in today's world.100 years ago,the slavery and segregation was a
> part of life here in America,does that mean those vices should have been
> allowed to continue till today ? Two wrongs don't make a right. The term
> immigration does not mean 'travel " only as you have   implied.You may
> consult a dictionary for proper definition. Tourists and immigrants are two
> different things.
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> When did I say ' sharp guys " should not be allowed to come ? I cited the
> example of Dr.David Ho just to stress the point that there are thousands
> of cases like Dr.Ho,who created novel things after arriving in the US
> under family reunification  program.That should have been easily
> understood.
>
> You wrote that 50% of American marriages end in divorce and divorce breaks
> up a family.You seem to contradict yourself by saying so.That's exactly
> why I wrote in my previous mail pointing out to the fact that young
> Americans identified broken family as their greatest fear !!! Didn't I ?
>
> You also wrote that in order to meet one's family,one should take time off
> to meet them.If the meaning of ' family reunification' is just to meet the
> family once in a while by taking time off,then we might as well forget about
> the reunification of spouses  too.They can meet each other once in a while
> and that's all .Is not it ?
>
> KJD
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> On 7/8/07, umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com  > wrote:  So you mean
> that just becos one person did well and created HIV medicie so millions
> should be allowed in - whereas those adventurous and sharp guys who take the
> risk on their own should not be??
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> 50% of American marriages end in divorces so I do not see their fear of
> broken families -- divorce breaks up a family does it not?
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> Third,  if a person is a citizen of USA  after coming here - I think s/he
> is entitld to bring along his/her spouse and underage children. It is easier
> to go from USA to India (22 hours) than it was for me to go from Delhi to
> Chennai (38 hours - by train). Most people in India never travel by plane -
> so have greater difficulty in meeting family -say an Assamese  working in
> Bangalore - (40 hours atleast by train)  than visiting India from USA.
>
> Even within the country people have to move elsewhere (in India ) to look
> for work --so there is no cure for that. Is there?  If one wants to meet
> family -- take some time off from work and visit them!!
>
> Umesh
>
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> kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com > wrote:   First thing first.As a
> sovereign country, the USA has every right to be bristling with prejudices
> as far as immigration policy is concerned.They should not be criticized
> for being harsh with the potential immigrants.However  ,family
> reunification programme has been the cornerstone for the past few
> decades.I can think of three reasons as to why legal immigrants should be
> allowed to reunite with their families.
>
> First,a permanent class of legal immigrants who are constantly told ,their
> labor is welcome,but their families are not, will never be full participants
> in the American dream.The Oath of Allegiance had been all about ensuring
> that new Americans don't have divided   loyalties.Now that will be
> enshrined in law.
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> Families are the bedrock of American life.Recent poll shows that young
> Americans identified broken families,not Iraq or global warming as their
> greatest fear.What message does the White House send out about family
> value when its action undercuts its sermon ?
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> Dr.David Ho,the Time magazine's man of the year in 1996, pioneered the use
> of protease inhibitors to treat HIV-infected patients.Thousands and
> thousands of Americans now have new lease on life,thanks to him.He came to
> the USA at the age of 12 from Taiwan to reunite with his father.
>
> My point is that the legal and the illegal immigrants should not be thrown
> into the same pot to swim or sink.
>
> KJD
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> On 7/7/07, umesh sharma < jaipurschool at yahoo.com  > wrote:  Kamal-da,
>
> When Immigration began 500 years back in USA then there was no family
> reunification programs -- those who had guts and desire for adventure sailed
> across the oceans and never saw their families again. Some prisoners had to
> be sent to Australia since no one in thier right minds wanted to go to
> Australia -- some bribed and escaped and came back to Britain  -- read
> Chalres Dicken's Great Expectations.
>
> So why this pillar of immigration. Immigration means travel to a new place
> -- not bringing all your hometown and family and friends with you. Does it?
>
>
> Umesh
>
> kamal deka < kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Do you know that the White House is floating a new immigration
> proposal,which is designed to tear down another pillar of immigration policy
> ----family reunification?
>
> It appears that sibling and adult children of American citizen are just
> out of luck,turned by a stroke of the pen from family members into strangers
> in the eye of law.Instead of blood-ties,people will be judged by a point
> system in which knowledge of English and education would be given importance
> rather than family value.
>
> KJD
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