[Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science succes

Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com
Sat Jul 28 07:56:31 PDT 2007 

>Representation of Peoples' Chapter shall begin with a line:
*>Only* Struggling,Non-Government-Servant,IIT Graduates can stand  and be
elected for Parliament Membership.
>mm

Any chance for graduates from Cotton or Pragjyotish colleges, and those who
are NOT good in math or science?

--Ram


On 7/28/07, mc mahant <mikemahant at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> :<What does engineer Mukulda say?>>
> In the fresh Indian Constitution(let's hope one will be) the
> Representation of Peoples' Chapter shall begin with a line:
> *Only* Struggling,Non-Government-Servant,IIT Graduates can stand  and be
> elected for Parliament Membership.
> mm
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> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:04:32 -0500
> To: dilipdeka at yahoo.com; cmahanta at charter.net; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu
> From: cmahanta at charter.net
> CC: assam at assamnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science
> success
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> My bad. I meant to quote: " - I don't know about the nation building part.
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> > "Most engineers that I know would cringe at being given that
> responsibilty. "
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> *** Engineers who have changed the face of the world, did not do so out of
> an obligation for nation building. That was a result of what they CREATED ,
> produced.
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> >and those individuals are remembered.
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> *** I was not referring to who gets to be remembered for what. Credit
> taking or giving is a whole different field and not always either truthful
> or honorable. But  what has been created, developed, produced is in front of
> us, everywhere.  What has India to show for --- with its half century of
> engineering training? How have India's engineers contributed to solving its
> problems? And how creatively? Surely they are no less talented than anyone
> else in the world.
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> At 8:54 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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> Distortion already. Look below.
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> *Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>* wrote:
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> At 8:10 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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> " However they are not the people who build nations,
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> DD:  I did not say that. You picked up something from what you wrote and
> made it look like I said it.
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> Engineers can be and have been nation builders but that is not something
> the average engineer wants to be. The ratio probably comes out to be the
> same for all professions. When the infrastructure of a young nation is being
> built, the engineers are in the forefront, as it happened in USA and the
> other countries you mentioned and those individuals are remembered.
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> *** American nation building has been singularly influenced by creative
> engineering.  As was
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> Germany, as was the Soviet Union and as is Japan, as is China.  But look
> at India's progress with more per capita engineers than many of  these other
> more advanced countries.
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>  break new grounds or solve problems in creative ways." - I don't know
> about the nation building part. Most engineers that I know would cringe at
> being given that responsibilty. The other two - yes, engineers, architects
> and planners can contribute a lot.
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> I am glad to see that the contribution of engineers is being recognized
> here. What does engineer Mukulda say?
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> Dilip
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> *Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>* wrote:
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> >I should know something about engineers by now.
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> *** I wouldn't be the one to question that. Yes there is room for all
> those engineers, whose contribution is defined by an ability to read the
> standards manuals or code books and applying them to the task in hand.
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> However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds or
> solve problems in creative ways.
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> At 7:32 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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> Umesh,
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>   Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer should
> be good in math, just to survive in the field. The design engineers need to
> know what is behind the softwares they use now a days to solve engineering
> problems.
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> There are functions in engineering where a person can contribute without
> being creative in the real sense of the word. I have spent 30+ years in the
> field, including management of engineers, I should know something about
> engineers by now.
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> A request to engineers in India - please speak up.
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> Dilipda
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> *umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>* wrote:
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> C-da,
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> But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high
> school levele - not at an engineering college.
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> ***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself,
> does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in
> the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a
> lot of other fields, but real engineering also requires creativity --
> something Indian engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone
> is endowed with an ability or have the aptitude to develop it
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> Umesh
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> *Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>* wrote:
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> At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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> Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math
> is used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math
> helps students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high
> school helps engineering students as well, across the board.
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> *** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound primary
> education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you look at the
> percentage of students in Assam who have a decent knowledge of math
> fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in science, technology etc.
>
>
> But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does
> not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the
> academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot
> of other fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something
> Indian engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is
> endowed with an ability or have the aptitude to develop it .
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> Dilip
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> *umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>* wrote:
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> http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/science_072
> 62007.html
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> Umesh Sharma
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> Washington D.C.
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