[Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

Mon Jul 30 07:14:55 PDT 2007

Hi C'da

I am totally confused.

This is what you wrote the other day (about engineers):

>However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds or
solve problems in creative ways.

And today, (to Mridul's "As far as engineers employed in India, I am not
sure if being creative or not makes any difference.")

 >**** You are sooo right Mridul!

>What our NRI friends can't quite deal with is the realities of India. They
need to keep up those appearances, NOT because they  do not know, but it is
>from their own personal insecurities about who or what they identify with.

My take on this whole thing is that countries need visonaries --- and these
can be engineers, scientists, day dreamers, politicians or farmers. US or
western countries have not cornered the market on creative individuals. They
can be found almost anywhere.

Maybe its the 'language barrier here' - but it seemed like you were saying
that there are no creative people in India, or that Indians are not capable
in contributing anything positive to their country. I am sure I
misunderstood.. :)

--Ram

On 7/30/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> As far as engineers employed in India, I am not sure if being creative or
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> Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer should be
> good in math, just to survive in the field. The design engineers need to
> know what is behind the softwares they use now a days to solve engineering
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> *umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>* wrote:
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> But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high
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> ***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself,
> does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in
> the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a
> lot of other fields, but real engineering also requires creativity --
> something Indian engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone
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> *Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>* wrote:
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> At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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> Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math
> is used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math
> helps students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high
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> *** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound primary
> education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you look at the
> percentage of students in Assam who have a decent knowledge of math
> fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in science, technology etc.
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> not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the
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> *umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>* wrote:
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> http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/science_072
> 62007.html
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> Umesh Sharma
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> 1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
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