[Assam] India needs a CIA? I'll Volunteer For The Pakistan Army if India Attacks - Community
umesh sharma
jaipurschool at yahoo.com
Mon Dec 29 20:36:16 PST 2008
India needs a CIA?
Umesh
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USA's CIA's Mission
We are the nation’s first line of defense. We accomplish what others cannot accomplish and go where others cannot go. We carry out our mission by:
* Collecting information that reveals the plans, intentions and capabilities of our adversaries and provides the basis for decision and action.
* Producing timely analysis that provides insight, warning and opportunity to the President and decisionmakers charged with protecting and advancing America’s interests.
* Conducting covert action at the direction of the President to preempt threats or achieve US policy objectives.
thats from CIA's webpage
https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-vision-mission-values/index.html
Also "conducts deniable psychological operations (psyops) and paramilitary operations." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA under the heading support to military operations.
cheers.
India should take covert action against the terror training camps -as in the movies!!
Umesh Sharma
Washington D.C.
1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005
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--- On Sun, 28/12/08, umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>
> Subject: I'll Volunteer For The Pakistan Army if India Attacks - Community
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> Date: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 10:41 PM
> My comment is right at the end. One of my Facebook friends
> commented on it. Perceptions seem interesting. Some in
> Pakistan believe that these guys were brave who held India
> hostage, some believe Indian are dark and skinny and thus
> can be easily defeated n battle. More balanced views suggest
> that Paksitan has too many prblems already that noone in
> Pakistan would take on more trouble. I think India should
> send in "brave" people who are ready to die
> without glorification by their loved ones later - as
> unknowns --which may be difficult in a culture which sees
> death in battle leading to awards, lifelong benefits for the
> family etc. Such "brave" people should be sent to
> tackle the training camps.
>
> Umesh
>
> The community has 29,000 members who think Zardari is a
> fool in trying to please the West and India.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ulloo Ka Patha
> (thats the title of this web profile of Zardari- meaning
> son of a fool/owl)
> I'll Volunteer For The Pakistan Army if India Attacks -
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> Reply to Topic
> http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=5997&post=26058&uid=28774293829#post26058
>
> Displaying all 28 posts by 13 people.
> Post #1
> Anum Iftikhar (Kinnaird College for Women) wroteon December
> 13, 2008 at 4:57am
> I'll Volunteer for the Pakistan Army if India Attacks -
> Community Created! Join Now!
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39568308147
>
> Cadets Harcharan Singh and Saira Amin will be, will you?
>
> Reply to AnumReport
>
> Post #2
> 2 replies
> Vishno Rao wroteon December 13, 2008 at 5:14am
> why such in-security? war is not heading ur way anytime
> soon!!!!!
> but if u ask for one ... Me and my fellow INDIANS shall be
> more than ready to head for retaliation!!
>
> Reply to VishnoReport
>
> Post #3
> Mustafa Ahmed replied to Vishno's poston December 14,
> 2008 at 3:20am
> my dear indian brother vishno what makes you think the
> cause of our insecurity? zara apni indian news hata kar
> humari news daikho to samajh mien aiga keh why we are
> feeling so insecure. west say America is attacking our
> north-western cities and towns just because of the suspicion
> that al-qaida or taliban must be using these areas as a
> base. the americans are killing innocent citizens. if they
> attack a town, and 10 people die, 9 out of them are usually
> innocent citizens, women, and children. then in the regions
> where the taliban have their hold, they are terorising the
> pakistani citizens both muslim and non-muslim alike. most of
> the pakistan army's opperations are in neutralizing
> them.
> Second reason, our political situation itself is in ruins.
> and thanks to this fucking asif ali zardari, our economic
> situation is from bad to worse, and worsening.
> your country since 1947-this day, is hungry to get it's
> lost land(Pakistan) again. and after the recent terrorist
> attacks in Mumbai, they conveniently put the blame on us and
> warning us to wage war as a sign of retaliation!
> i don't believe that we are responsible for the
> outrageous terrorist attacks because due to already terrible
> situations, i don't think that any pakistani citizen and
> government official alike would want to increase their
> misery.
> We Mr.Vishnu Rao are feeling insecure because we are being
> attacked from our west, we are being attacked internally
> within our country, and now we are expecting you to join the
> party too. we have every reason to feel insecure. the
> question lies however would you help us? sympathise with us?
> or will you too look down at us as your prey?
>
> Reply to MustafaReport
>
> Post #4
> 2 replies
> Vishno Rao wroteon December 14, 2008 at 3:59am
> i understand.. the fear that lingers around the lives of
> fellow pakistanis !! i symphathise with u completely!!
> because your country too is terror stricken!!
>
> i'd like to correct you ... INDIA does not want
> pakistan back!! that land is a forgotten land!! but pakistan
> wants the indian part of kashmir!! which is a fact that is
> un-deniable!!!! the terror outfits operating in pakistan are
> primarily the reason for the western outburst!!
>
> your govt is just 9months old zardari isn't completely
> trusted by ur people!!!!! the problem is that many of your
> own people are invoveld in anti-society activities!!
> including terrorism!! hence trusting pakistan.. is the last
> thing the west could do!!!!
> now... INDIA believes in non-allignment!! its individuality
> is its speciality!! it willl surely help Pakistan! if it
> shows some transparency!!!
>
> JAI HIND
>
> Reply to VishnoReport
>
> Post #5
> Naveed Jamil wroteon December 14, 2008 at 4:42am
> OMG If ever u have free time u must take a look @ history
> of kashmir since the Independence of PAKISTAN !! U r an
> educated person im sure ull understand :p
>
> Reply to NaveedReport
>
> Post #6
> Ahmed Hassan Khan (Pakistan) wroteon December 14, 2008 at
> 6:01am
> oi indians ko sirf aik nuclear bomb dikhane ki zaroorat
> hai....khoodi late jain ge...
>
> Reply to AhmedReport
>
> Post #7
> Anum Iftikhar (Kinnaird College for Women) replied to
> Vishno's poston December 23, 2008 at 10:58am
> You and your fellow Indians will be in for one hell of a
> battle because we Pakistanis are not weak, disgusting, dark
> and skinny Indians.
>
> We're Pakistanis, and we will end ENDia once and for
> all.
>
> Reply to AnumReport
>
> Post #8
> 2 replies
> Mohammad Shoaib replied to Vishno's poston December 23,
> 2008 at 11:14am
> So yyou mean we dont trust paki governemtn
> and indian governemnt is realy very good thats why people
> hated them soo much and forced them to ressign ?
> First improve your country then talk about someone else
> Yeh our lives are so insecure and yours are realy very
> safee..
> did you forget about those 16 brave people who made the
> whole mumbai hostage?
> so called your biggest army took 3 days to get jsut 16
> people. DId you forget that?
> They even have guts too enter inside the building by
> windows. they have to use the gas
> thats what your commandos are?
>
> Reply to MohammadReport
>
> Post #9
> Mohammad Shoaib replied to Vishno's poston December 23,
> 2008 at 11:15am
> OUR OWN people are involved in antisociety activiites >
> Ok i agree
> Then read about your bloody army
>
> what the hell is this then. THis is reported by ur own
> media
>
> http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080072765
>
> Reply to MohammadReport
>
> Post #10
> Hasan Jamshed (Pakistan) wroteon December 23, 2008 at
> 2:22pm
> almost every Pakistan will want to volunteer but we cant do
> much good for the Army in Battle can we?
>
> although if the occasion calls for it we will volunteer
> count on it !
>
> Reply to HasanReport
>
> Post #11
> Vipul Aggarwal (Birla Institute of Technology &
> Science) wroteon December 23, 2008 at 11:33pm
> listen dudes......
> u can fight it out here....
> bt dont thnk f fighting in a rel battle..
> coz if the educated youth of the country thnks like dis....
> well i can xpect the illiterate politicians gonna do....
> rather dan pin pointing finger at each oder......
> v shuld accept wats wrng wid ones countries......
> no country is perfect....bt if u start rating ur
> imperfections more than ur perfections...i get the idea
> where v all r heading........
>
> Reply to VipulReport
>
> Post #12
> Asif Ali Zardari (Pakistan) wroteon December 23, 2008 at
> 11:40pm
> i will shift my money abroad if attack happens.
>
> Reply to AsifReport
>
> Post #13
> Vipul Aggarwal (Birla Institute of Technology &
> Science) wroteon December 23, 2008 at 11:54pm
> @ mohhamed shoaib
>
> well if u thnk dat those assholes who spoil religion of
> islam, tarnish its image, cause sterotyping of all muslims
> as terrorists...are brave.....dan dude.....
> u probably bcum 1 in near future......and dat will b reli
> sad.......
> jst stop sympathising wid these son of bitches n u will
> surely c dat ur country wont b n "international
> migraine"..its newly acquired status........
>
> Reply to VipulReport
>
> Post #14
> 1 reply
> Vipul Aggarwal (Birla Institute of Technology &
> Science) wroteon December 24, 2008 at 12:06am
> @ amed hassan khan
> Fst jst chk whether ur nukes r controlled by ur govt. or
> the terrorist grps fr wich u ppl have so much sympathy ???
>
> n if u thnk pakistan or for dat matter e1 india will use
> nukes, v wil b starting world war 3.......so talk a bit
> snse. wil u???
> if u reli love ur country so much, dan start educting ppl
> .....so dat dey dont follow in d footsteps of the xtremist
> majority.....itz a difficlt job ahead....
> bt dats whereis d true test f ur love lies ................
>
> u c in a war....no side gains....u can killa 1000 indians,
> v kill 1000 pakis...n in d end dere will b ceasefire wid no
> side gaining n both side losing dere precious
> manpower..............so thnk and write....
>
> Reply to VipulReport
>
> Post #15
> Vipul Aggarwal (Birla Institute of Technology &
> Science) wroteon December 24, 2008 at 12:09am
> @ anum iftikar
>
> jst read my prior posts n u will get d msg ......
> n plzz mind ur tongue ....
> is dere ny inslt used fr pakistanis ????
> no.. so u better keep ur tongue in chk...
> though it hardly matters...bt it show hw u have been
> brought up .........
>
> Reply to VipulReport
>
> Post #16
> 1 reply
> Ahmed Hassan Khan (Pakistan) wroteon December 24, 2008 at
> 4:08am
> mr. vipul seems to sensible person,but ppl whom he's
> sayin terrorist are patriotist,and fighting against the
> atrocious rule of indians in JAMMU KASHMIR,for their just
> cause,accredited by the UN SECURITY COUNCIL...this thing
> indians dont undrstnd...
>
> Reply to AhmedReport
>
> Post #17
> Mohammad Shoaib replied to Vipul's poston December 24,
> 2008 at 7:37am
> Hey you guys have same sympathy for terrorist ... Toooo
> the samjhota express train blast was done by your army
> offficer
> why you didnt arrest him yet?
>
> Reply to MohammadReport
>
> Post #18
> Anjum Shahzad (Pakistan) wroteon December 25, 2008 at
> 3:36pm
> AOA,
> I Truly liked the Forum in 1 sense tht WE ALL HAVE A HEART
> WHICH WANA C PAKISTAN TRULY GROWING AND A BLESSED&THE
> VERY BEST PLACE OF THE WORLD..
> I hav a Q,,as they say LEADERS R THE REFLECTION OF A
> NATION..
> it can't be more truer than in case of Mr Zardari,
> DOES MR ZARDARI DO ANY THING WHICH NATION( OR SHALL I CALL
> 'WE')R'NT DOING??
> We ALL R CORRUPT,SO,IS HE
> V ALL MISUSE OUR AUTHORITY IN ANY CAPCITY V R PLACED..SO IS
> HE
> & THE LIST GOES ON&ON...
> --
> ----
> -----
> SO,DEARS,My humble SUBMISSION is(4u&Myself )CHANGE
> URSELF & SYSYTEM'S CHANGE WOULD FOLLOW,4SURE..
> AS THEY SAY
> " WE ALL THINK OF CHANGING THE WORLD BUT NO ONE THINKS
> OF CHANGING HIMSELF "
> Last but not the Least:
> DEARS HATRED HAV NEVER BROUGHT ANY CAHNGE ANYWHERE IN THE
> WORLD EVER,ALL IT PRODUCES IS " DESTRUCTION "..
> Have V ever PRAYED 4 MR ZARDARI&THE NATION THAT THEY
> TRULY CHANGE..??
> LETS ALL DO THAT,PLEASEEE&WORK 4 IT..
> LETS GIFT PAKISTAN SOMETHING, TRULY
> "" THE ONLY TRUE GIFT IS A PORTION OF URSELF
> ""
>
> Reply to AnjumReport
>
> Post #19
> 1 reply
> Vipul Aggarwal (Birla Institute of Technology &
> Science) replied to Ahmed's poston December 27, 2008 at
> 3:46am
> listen , its a fact dat j&k was never a part of
> pakistan...its last ruler hari singh himself hnded over d
> state 2 india fearing an attck frm jst created pakistan...
> n if u ppl instead f fighting a true war fight a proxy
> war....n in dat process dere mite be civilian casualities
> accidental as well as intentional... listen d thing is
> j&k and pakistan has nt developed bcoz f dis terrorist
> problm...u can c d stats ...pakistan is getting isolated day
> by day...do u really thnk a piece f land is wrth more dan ur
> country's dvelpment wen in d fst place dat land does nt
> e belong 2 u ??????
>
> Reply to VipulReport
>
> Post #20
> 1 reply
> Shahzad Akbar (London) wroteon December 27, 2008 at 9:50am
> first of all its nice to see patriotism in ppl and in Anum
> Iftikhar but the fact is its not that easy to finish India,
> WAR IS NOT A CHILD'S PLAY, its a big thing which
> obviously wud HIT any country BADLY.
>
> Vipul is right to some extend thst pakistani ppl dun have
> trust in Zardari and govt is only 9 mnths old so things in
> Pakistan are not good BUT Mr Vipul is wrong where he under
> estimates pakistan. Dude Firstly WAR cannot happen - NO WAY
> - India cannot afford war and if America support India in
> funding then nucelar comes in which makes WAR NOT TO OCCUR.
> and God Forbid if it happens im not being patriotic or
> something TRUST ME PAKISTAN ARMY HAS DONE IT BEFORE AND THEY
> CAN DO IT AGAIN......U GUYS HAVE AIRFORCE ........WE HAVE
> MISSILES-------- IT WONT BE EASY TO DESTORY PAKISTAN - NOT
> AT ALL - PAKISTAN NATION IS VERY EMOTIONAL NATION, it will
> be extremely EXTREMELY hard to destroy pakistan, even though
> America will support u but still.....
>
> So calm down and relax there is no War Happening and if
> somehow it happens our GOVT MIGHT BE CORRUPT but India has
> to deal 16 crore nation.
>
> Reply to ShahzadReport
>
> Post #21
> 1 reply
> Vipul Aggarwal (Birla Institute of Technology &
> Science) replied to Shahzad's post20 hours ago
> dude...
> eiter ur stats r wrng...
> v dont require ny funding frm us...
> it was pakistan wich was always sucking up 2 usa fr more
> military power...
> bt u r ryt on 1 thng both cuntry cant afford war...simply
> bcoz fr u it wuld b the end of d road....
> n for india bcoz dat war culd lead 2 world war 3 n our
> country wuld nvr want 2 b remembered as initiator of it.....
> jst thnk dude...
> the economic conditions n the reputations ...
> pakistan is considered as terrorist's holy land n an
> international migraine....
> n 2 b honest being our neighbour it is affecting our repu.
> too.....
> jst last wrd...ck d war results f all the previously fought
> wars n the methods pakistan's army use 2 fight...more f
> a guerilla warfare(proxy fighter)........
>
> Reply to VipulReport
>
> Post #22
> Siddhant Singh wrote17 hours ago
> I'm Indian, support a plebiscite in Kashmir, think
> Pakistan's government is not in control, India needs to
> rein in the hindu extremists, but Pakistan also needs to
> engineer a massive change when it comes to the spread of
> radical Islam.
> India needs to stop talking of bombing Pakistan and bossing
> it around, Pakistan is a sovereign nation, it deserves
> respect. Pakistan needs to stop fooling around and shut down
> the terror camps. Yes Kashmir is a contentious issue, but if
> the state allows violence to serve as a legitimate means of
> solving the crisis, then that will sully its credibility.
> Politicians of both sides need to shut the hell up. Forget
> a war, talk of a war is what they want. Tensions get
> politicians easy votes. And India should complete the
> investigation into the mumbai attacks formally, then accuse
> Pakistan. While they know it is true that the terrorists
> belonged to a Pakistani organization, we have botched
> investigations in the past, and might as well seal the case,
> THEN point fingers and put Pakistan under pressure. Pakistan
> is actually bending over to admit there's a problem,
> let's not get hyper-active and expect too much. It is
> DIFFICULT for Pakistani politicians to cater to our whims.
> They have their own votebank to appease. And in case an
> India-Pakistan war occurs, all you immature folks who are so
> proudly proclaiming India/Pakistan's resilience,
> I'll tell you what'll happen. Karachi, Lahore,
> Islamabad, Delhi and Mumbai will no longer exist. If you
> don't live in these cities, then you need to shut up,
> cause the sacrifice
> won't be yours. Nukes suck. And both countries have
> them. It takes no balls to kill people. It takes guts not
> to. That's why Gandhi, Mandela and Gaffar Khan are
> greater men than Nehru, Zia-Ul-Haq and any other
> post-independence leaders.
>
> Peace, mates.
> May we be able to treat each other with the respect we all
> deserve. Let us make an effort to convey to the other side
> that we too are people like them, so that they can relate to
> us. Let them see we are human, so when the time comes for
> destruction, our conscience bites at us before we kill our
> brothers.
>
> P.S. Annum Iftikhar, you're pathetic. If being
> dark/skinny was a criterion for inferiority, then we should
> all have stayed slaves of the British. Pakistanis are, on
> average, half a shade lighter-skinned than the average
> Indian. And fifteen shades darker than every white person on
> the planet. Don;t dig your own grave. Have some confidence
> in the way you look. And don't use your camera flash too
> much.
> Imagine what a laugh the skinheads must be having at
> listening to you call other brown people "dark".
> And I'm having one to. Hahaha
>
> Reply to SiddhantReport
>
> Post #23
> Siddhant Singh replied to Mohammad's post17 hours ago
> I lost friends in Mumbai. I think you need to shut the fuck
> up. If those dudes are what you're proud of, then you
> live a sad life, man.
>
> I think we both need to talk AND improve both our countries
> at the same time. We both have problems, and we should be
> pressurized into dealing with them. If only he who is not a
> sinner could blame someone, there's be no accusations at
> all.
>
> And if you legitimise the kind of violence that happened in
> Mumbai, the death of innocent civilians, that's just SO
> sad. And the people who condone the deaths of innocent
> civilians in Kashmir at the hands of the Indian army and the
> terrorists are equally pathetic. Join the club.
>
> Reply to SiddhantReport
>
> Post #24
> Shahzad Akbar (London) replied to Vipul's post15 hours
> ago
> First of all this is the reason i dun have a conversation
> all da time in discussion cuz ppl like u start fughting.
>
> why did u say " it was pakistan wich was always
> sucking up 2 usa fr more military power "
>
> newaz ill make it clear for the last time and even then if
> u come wid ur arguments then upto u.
>
> FIRSTLY - INDIA CANNOT DARE TO FIGHT WID PAKISTAN SO THERE
> IS NO WAR. if u want to come up wid some scientfic
> calculation then thats fine but INDIA cannot and Nore
> pakistan can cuz pakistan is not in a state to attack India,
> Pakistan ki apni halat itnee kharab hai so they cant attack
> but India also CANNOT. " Fullstop "
>
> and if for instant it happens india wud do it wid the
> support of America now i dun know y dun u beleive this cuz
> ur Indian patriotism does not allow u to do so. Dude America
> wants to destroy Pakistan (which they wont be able to), and
> they will do it THROUGH INDIA BY SUPPORTING INDIA IN THE
> NAME OF TERRORISM. ADMIT THIS.
>
> and yes i agree we have a reputation of terrorist country
> all over the globe I am not denying that. All am i saying
> nothing is gonna happen chill and next time wen u have an
> argument wid some sensible person have a CONVERSATION IN A
> HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT SO OTHERS CAN ALSO GAIN INFORMATION AND
> WE CUD LEAD TO SOME ANSWERs
>
> Reply to ShahzadReport
>
> Post #25
> Ahmed Hassan Khan (Pakistan) replied to Vipul's post13
> hours ago
> but ppl of kashmir,junagarh,manawadr(might be old names)
> voted for pakistan,and prince of hyderabad also askd pak to
> take the state,but bcz as muslims,we were honest,we
> respected the pact, and again,hindus didnt respectd the
> pact....shows their morality level...
>
> Reply to AhmedReport
>
> Post #26
> Hasan Jamshed (Pakistan) wrote12 hours ago
> why dont we just ask the ppl of j&k wht do they want?
> if they want to join Pakistan then India shuld back off
> if they want to join India then Pakistan shuld back off
> if they want to become a free state then both shuld back
> off
>
> doesnt get any simpler than this :D
>
> Reply to HasanReport
>
> Post #27
> Vipul Aggarwal (Birla Institute of Technology &
> Science) wrote10 hours ago
> @ahmed
> i dont get y do u ppl hve so much thing dat it shuld
> j&k shuld b didvide on religion ????
> if religion means so much dan all those killings, r dey
> jstified ???
>
> @shahzad
>
> fighting ???
> jst chk wat d fuckin bullshit u ppl r throwing ???
> its nt e1 a bit reality .....war ...pakistan defend
> itself...nt a sngle bit....thnk b4 u write dude...no hard
> feelings attchd....bt if u like ur oder mates too respect
> these terrorists...well dan talkin hardly will make
> diffrence.....
>
> Reply to VipulReport
>
> Post #28
> You replied to Mohammad's post2 seconds ago
> hmmm so you think those people who held unarmed men, women
> and children were brave. Yes, they did not fear for their
> lives and were quite well trained. Perhaps India should do a
> similar thing - attack the training camps of these
> "brave" men without actually attacking Pakistan.
> Perhaps India should send in its own troops in the guise of
> misguided youth (as during Kargil 1999 Pakistani soldiers
> dressed as "brave men" entered and attacked India
> and did not flinch when Pakistan said that these
> "brave" guys did not belong to their nation.
>
> I admit it would be some amount of bravery to be disowned
> by one's own country while serving it -- maybe it would
> be foolhardiness too. Regular soldiers are ready to die in
> battle being assured that they would be declared martyrs and
> their families taken care of.
>
> I think India should learn from these "brave"
> guys who held India hostage - and create a temperament
> whereby some of its soldiers agree to/volunteer to die an
> unknown soldier's death while destroying LET and Taliban
> training camps (if they do exist - most likely they do) in
> Pakistan.
>
> God bless us all.
>
> Umesh Sharma
>
> Washington D.C.
>
> 1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
>
> Ed.M. - International Education Policy
> Harvard Graduate School of Education,
> Harvard University,
> Class of 2005
>
> http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)
>
> http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)
>
>
>
>
> www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used )
> http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/
>
>
>
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