[Assam] The Nano & not so nano stuff

[Krishnendu Chakraborty]

>>*** But from what I can read, you don't have to be
>>privileged to stay 
>>in clean hotels in India. Only the  real cheap
>>hotels like those 
>>costing Rs. 2,000/- or  Rs. 3,000/-  per night  are
>>filthy :-).

If you cannot read simple English, I cannot help. I
have mentioned about a couple of hotels in 1500-1600
range.   Let me know if for your conveniece I need to
write that in some other language like Hindi :) may
be.
BTW,  I forgot to add one more to that list of hotels
--- Sindura in Chennai ... if you have a patient in
Apollo, the hotel charges Rs1000  Else the charge is
around Rs2000 (or less).  Facilities are very good.

>>there is such a 
>>thing called users' comments and feedback. Someone
>>who booked hotel 
>>rooms thru the internet should know that by now.

Did you check tripadvisor? Or you are avoiding lest it
hurts your American EGO.  If you go by al comments
you will need to reject half of budget hotels of US.


>>When I get substandard 
>>service, I don't go back to them, because there are
>>PLENTY of choices 
>>available, unlike around DumDum.

But I learnt from your posting that you found some
acceptable ones in Cal too ....  so there indeed are
choice everywhere ... you just need to find and book
in advance

>>Question is which is true?  I am certain it won't
>>take the brains of 
>>a steel-trap  minded IIT engineer or IIM business
>>whiz to figure that 
>>out.

You need not take my words ,  just check tripadvisor
and with your IIT and Phoren trained brains try to
find the answer.  Or may be you can try to find how
the hotels in Dumdum survives.


>>**** Nooo! It must be the American hotels that are
>>hotbeds of 
>>infestation.  You have pointed it out yourself 
>>with THAT HOJO 
>>example from Orlando that must be the archetype of
>>US motels/hotels.

Hmmm ....  is it again the CM twist putting words in
ones mouth OR is it your difficulty in reading simple
english. 
Please point it out where I mentioned that the HOJO
had infestation .
In fact,  it was YOU who agreed that bed bug
infestation  "is an epidemic even in some of the
city's glitziest 
high-rise condos and apartment houses, a public health
crisis, almost"

>>Why else would HOJO won't live up to its
>>responsibilities while 
>>>>selling its name  ? That is the big conundrum
>>here, isn't it?  But I 
>>am sure an IIM MBA can explain the riddle. Shall we?

A simple google search in HOJO complaint will probably
help you getting closer to get your answer.  You can
then get a Harvard MBA (you know Desi education does
not teach a thing) to solve the mystery.

>>*** It is not apathy. It is a knowledge gleaned
>>from observing many a 
>>desi in these shores who make sweeping judgements
>>about the world 
>>from tiny examples and insignificant experiences, 

We have seen this apathy when Umesh posted a You tube
item.  
I would be interested to know your comments when some
NRAs make sweeping judgement based on single
experience in India.
Or is it a superiority complex (Bilat ferot).

>>I just happen to have a AA tour book on my desk,
>>and it 
>>does not show either HOJO or Ramada Inn in their 
>>recommended 
>>hotels/motels list, much less rate them with stars.

Check this 
http://ww1.aaa.com/scripts/WebObjects.dll/AAAOnline.woa/2011/wo/5nfKOBYp5kTtHXtpILUn0g/3.WOMetaRefresh

Seems your superiority complex makes you disbelief
everybody else. Or is it the "I know better" syndrom.

BTW,  I admit I typed star instead of diamond ...
don't know if that makes HUGE difference

>>I won't reply any more on this thread.

Good ,  you have already tried enough to twist and put
words in my mouth ... and posted a bunch of incorrect
info like Hojo owned by Desi OR like AAA does not rate
HOJO.


>>>The POINT here is that, someone pointing out the
>>dirty laundry of the 
>>Indian condition does not necessarily mean that the
>>critic is 

The POINT here is someone experiecing bed bugs or
filth in a sleazy Indian Hotel DOES NOT say that
Indian Condition is Dirty ....
If you consider an Individual's experience as
yardstick, your yardstick makes American hotels worse.



>  >Just the way I have been fortunate to stay in
clean
>and safe hotels in India.


*** But from what I can read, you don't have to be
privileged to stay 
in clean hotels in India. Only the  real cheap hotels
like those 
costing Rs. 2,000/- or  Rs. 3,000/-  per night  are
filthy :-).


>  >Unfortunately,  I do not know of any technology
that
>allows to physically verify the cleanliness, quality
of beds etc through internet.


*** That is an astute observation, possible only from
a highly 
trained Indian technocrat like Asok of Dilbert.  But
there is such a 
thing called users' comments and feedback. Someone who
booked hotel 
rooms thru the internet should know that by now.



>  >You can just put a complaint to HOJO or inquire
about
>their franchise model .   Unfortunately, I  did not
save their response ... else could have sent it to you


**** I have no interest in seeing them. When I get
substandard 
service, I don't go back to them, because there are
PLENTY of choices 
available, unlike around DumDum.

But my curiosity remains: If HOJO 's business model
has no room to 
respond to customer complaints and disaffections, and
THAT HOJO 
franchise epitomize the state of the motel/hotel
business, as you 
argue,  it could mean only two things:

	Customers are fools and don't know or care when they
are 
getting the short end
	of the stick and still keep going back to them.

	Or that there are no other choices available and are
forced to.

Question is which is true?  I am certain it won't take
the brains of 
a steel-trap  minded IIT engineer or IIM business whiz
to figure that 
out.


>  >Just check up Tripadvisor.com and you will find
>complaints against numerous hotels in US not just
"THAT HOJO".

**** Surprise of surprises! I did not realize US
hotels can be bad. I 
am devastated!!

But there is an antidote to it. Isn't there? When you
see the 
complaints should you go back to them? Or are there no
choices?



>BTW,  you (and many NRA/NRI) have numerous complaint
>against different Indian products/services.  Ask an
>Harvard MBA to explain how these Indian businesses
are
surviving.

**** Do they? Must be their false sense of
superiority, making you 
Indians look bad.

  I do have some ideas, but I lack common sense. Why
don't you tell 
us? You are the expert.


>  >As a matter of fact,  I did not find it in any
hotel
>in India ... even not so expensive ones ... may be I
was lucky.

**** Nooo! It must be the American hotels that are
hotbeds of 
infestation.  You have pointed it out yourself  with
THAT HOJO 
example from Orlando that must be the archetype of US
motels/hotels.

>  >The hotels ranged from budget to 5 stars
like Park

*** I happen to know a whole lot about the Park Hotel.
I was there 
when it opened. My close buddy and then partner was
the hotel 
architect and sat with Jit Paul in his a/c office. 
But that was long 
ago. I hope the inside story has since gotten better.


>  >Also,  what is important here is should
(ethically) a
>chain owner own up the responsibility or just sell
his
name and sit tight.

*** Wow! I learn something everyday.

So what should we surmise from this piece of wisdom
that you shared?

	A: AAA rating means nothing. They rate it ** or *** 
to a 
hellhole like HOJO franchise.

	B:  That HOJO customers , American fools, flock to
it, in 
spite of it being the pits.

Why else would HOJO won't live up to its
responsibilities while 
selling its name  ? That is the big conundrum here,
isn't it?  But I 
am sure an IIM MBA can explain the riddle. Shall we?



>  >
We know about your apathy towards FOB

*** It is not apathy. It is a knowledge gleaned from
observing many a 
desi in these shores who make sweeping judgements
about the world 
from tiny examples and insignificant experiences,
while remaining 
mired in a defensive mode from their own inferiority
complexes borne 
out of decades of ineffectiveness in improving their
national lot.



>  >Heh-heh ----  couple of years back I used a AAA
>Approved auto repair shop which was trying to rip me
>with an estimate of $1600.  I moved to a different
>shop and was done with $900 ... .
>When I complained to AAA they came up with
>explanations like our Approved shops give 1 year
>warranty on repairs etc. 
>And I already mentioned about the fate of my
complaint
>to AAA in this issue.
>Want to know more ?   AAA gave me an incorrect Auto
>Insurance quote last year and dropped my collission
>coverage.  When I contacted, they added the same and
>charged me $400 extra.  It was only after I moved to
>Dept of Insurance, did they waived the additional
>charge. Being a recent incident I have all the
documents if you want to verify.


**** No need to prove. This I can believe . I always
go to dealership 
repair shops , even though I know I pay more, because
they are more 
reliable.


>  >but the company
>which owns HOJO also owns Ramada which run some star
>category hotels. Also, HOJO hotels are rated 2 - 3
star by AAA.



On the other hand, I am yet to be burnt on a AAA rated
motel. There 
however are different ratings. One has to know what
the AAA one 
diamond, two diamond or three diamond ratings are and
what the black 
diamonds  represent or red diamonds represent. They do
not have  STAR 
(*) ratings.  I just happen to have a AA tour book on
my desk, and it 
does not show either HOJO or Ramada Inn in their 
recommended 
hotels/motels list, much less rate them with stars.


I won't reply any more on this thread.

The POINT here is that, someone pointing out the dirty
laundry of the 
Indian condition does not necessarily mean that the
critic is 
attempting to compare it with the American or European
or the 
developed world.  So the abject defensiveness
displayed by the 
offended proves only one thing: Their own inferiority
complex.















At 1:42 PM -0800 1/11/08, Krishnendu Chakraborty
wrote:
>But I have also >>been fortunate
>>>enough now to go stay in hotels that are safer
bets.
>
>Just the way I have been fortunate to stay in clean
>and safe hotels in India.
>
>
>  >>we choose our hotels
>>>for location, cleanliness and room comforts , like
>>>the quality of the
>>>beds, the pillows, the air-conditioning and so
>
>Unfortunately,  I do not know of any technology that
>allows to physically verify the cleanliness, quality
>of beds etc through internet.
>
>
>>>Perhaps an MBA will explain how HOJOs stay in
>>>business, if their
>>>business model is what KC experienced at Orlando
>
>You can just put a complaint to HOJO or inquire about
>their franchise model .   Unfortunately, I  did not
>save their response ... else could have sent it to
you
>
>Just check up Tripadvisor.com and you will find
>complaints against numerous hotels in US not just
>"THAT HOJO".  
>



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