[Assam] Self-help groups in Assam transform rural economy - IANS
Rajen & Ajanta Barua
barua25 at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 5 17:08:44 PDT 2008
KJD
Your are right.
This is called the 'corruption' syndrome in especially in Assam.
" I am sorry. I cannot help but being corrupt, because the others are
corrupt. How can I be honest in this corrupt society? I have to be corrupt."
I say Hobo Diok Ripun Bora and his tribe.
Rajen Barua
----- Original Message -----
From: "kamal deka" <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
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> You are taking shelter under the fallacy that two wrongs make a
right.The
> fact that most politicians are corrupt does not mean that Bora has one
right
> to fill his pocket with ill-gotten money.The issue of corruption,a vital
> one,is a different kettle of fish .After scanning media reports,I don't
find
> an iota of indication that the sting operation was carried out on
account of
> personal vendetta.What I do best is collate information and draw my own
> inference.
> KJD
>
>
> On 6/4/08, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >We all know that.We also know that India is a democratic country and
one
>> >should be skeptical pending full disclosure of facts.But we are not
>> focusing >on that point nor are we trying to figure out who is the
>> flash-bearer of >corruption in Assam.
>>
>> And why not?
>>
>> >The bottom line is--- Bora was apprehended because of the fact
>> >that he did something wrong.
>>
>> Really, the others don't do anything wrong? Or is it they simply did
not
>> get
>> caught, and Bora did? IMHO Bora's crime was being stupid to get caught
or
>> getting placed in a situation where he could be ID ed.
>>
>> Bribery, corruption and whatever else are really what is expected from
>> ministers, babus.. all the way to keranis, and are not really crimes :)
>>
>> >We must measure the entire episode in a scale of probability at this
stage
>> >and our opinion ought to be based on that.
>>
>> And what are we measuring here? That Bora is corrupt? Or that he got
caught
>> redhanded?
>>
>> Deka, bottom line is really this:
>>
>> If Bora is convicted, he deserves whatever punishment is meted out.
>>
>> And I would be really elated that with Bora now arrested (and later
>> convicted), that corruption and bribery will forever be banished from
Assam
>> - specially among our montris and MLAs.
>>
>>
>> On 6/4/08, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Given even half a chance,every politician will rob the country
blind.We
>> all
>> > know that.We also know that India is a democratic country and one
should
>> be
>> > skeptical pending full disclosure of facts.But we are not focusing on
>> that
>> > point nor are we trying to figure out who is the flash-bearer of
>> corruption
>> > in Assam.The bottom line is--- Bora was apprehended because of the
fact
>> > that he did something wrong.We must measure the entire episode in a
scale
>> > of
>> > probability at this stage and our opinion ought to be based on that.
>> >
>> > Every major organization,editorial notes of both vernacular and
English
>> > dailies and public at large did voice their views in protest.One
should
>> not
>> > expect citizens to rock the state with agitation over such issue.
>> >
>> > KJD
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/4/08, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Kamal Deka,
>> > >
>> > > You may be absolutlely correct in saying the Ripun Bora is corrupt
and
>> > evil
>> > > etc etc.
>> > > The bigger picture ought to be that India is a democracy, and a
country
>> > of
>> > > laws and that is what needs to be held up - not that some minister
is
>> > > corrupt or whatever, and got convicted because people dislike him.
BTW
>> > the
>> > > CBI is also supposed to be very corrupt.
>> > >
>> > > So, we wait till the montri is convicted, we don't set traps
(commonly
>> > > known
>> > > as entrapment - which I think is also illegal in India). If after
all
>> > that,
>> > > he is found guilty, then by all means throw away the key.
>> > >
>> > > BTW: Do you know which montri is less corrupt and you are willing
to
>> > slide
>> > > by, or whom we can all put up on a pedestal?
>> > >
>> > > Frankly, there is a huge cabal of corrupt ministers, of corrupt CBI
>> > > officers, of departments etc, and yet, we find it easy to point
only
>> one
>> > > corrupt person - the guy who gets caught.
>> > >
>> > > I have a totally different view of the VC. But suffice it to say,
that
>> > the
>> > > first time he threatened to resign, everyone, including the AASU
and
>> the
>> > > Governor begged him to stay on. He got the money from the Govt.,
and
>> then
>> > > threatened to resign again - only this time no one protested.
>> > >
>> > > Just to let you know where I stand, when Dr. C was first chosen, I
was
>> > very
>> > > elated, and thought at least now GU would be under a good
stewardship.
>> > >
>> > > >Even a child in Assam knows that the ministry of education is the
>> > > >epicenter of corruption.
>> > >
>> > > OK - did Ripun Bora start this? It is probably the best for us to
put
>> > > everything corrupt in Assam on Bora - after all, he is the one that
>> > caught,
>> > > right?
>> > >
>> > > --Ram
>> > >
>> > > On 6/4/08, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Ram Sarangapani,
>> > > > Assuming that the trap was set up by the CBI,why did Ripun
dangariya
>> > walk
>> > > > into it?
>> > > > In regard to the opinion inflicted by Bora in connection with Dr
>> > > > Choudhury's
>> > > > resignation,he was trying to build a temple of virtue by laying
all
>> > evils
>> > > > at
>> > > > him.Even a child in Assam knows that the ministry of education is
the
>> > > > epicenter of corruption.
>> > > > KJD
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 6/4/08, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi Uttam,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You make some very valid points and its a well-thought out
>> response,
>> > > and
>> > > > I
>> > > > > understand where you are coming from.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I am not aware of what exactly took place between Ripun
>> > Bora and Dr.
>> > > > > Choudhury - all I know is that he resigned. So, I really cannot
>> > comment
>> > > > > much
>> > > > > on that.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >Ram Da, you eulogised the wisdom and the action of the INDIAN
>> STATE
>> > > > based
>> > > > > on a single >unverified report on SHG.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I hope it wasn't anything to that extreme, but I sure did want
to
>> > point
>> > > > out
>> > > > > that Dilli does do some good here & there. I perfectly
understand
>> > > Dilli's
>> > > > > failings. From here, I have no way to verify reports - all we
have
>> is
>> > > > media
>> > > > > reports online.
>> > > > > And notwithstanding what C'da says, it is ultimately 'us' that
make
>> > the
>> > > > > decision whether such reports have some validity or not.
>> > > > > And you are right, many of us in far off lands do get euphoric
with
>> > any
>> > > > > morsel of good news from the home front
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I wanted to bring up Ripun Bora's case because I did see a
>> different
>> > > > > treatment to his case. Many were quick to condemn him, and I
>> thought
>> > > that
>> > > > > *even
>> > > > > you* may not have given him the benefit of doubt. I am glad,
that I
>> > was
>> > > > > wrong, and you really were not thinking along those lines, and
I
>> > > > apologize.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Today the papers carry 'irrefutable proof' and have for all
>> practical
>> > > > > purposes convicted him.
>> > > > > The CM has thrown him under the bus (which is as expected), and
I
>> > > expect
>> > > > > Bora will more than likely be convicted - all I was expecting a
>> court
>> > > of
>> > > > > law
>> > > > > saying so.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In this respect, I agree with C'da. In India (as C'da has
pointed
>> out
>> > > > with
>> > > > > examples), the idea of due process is often lost, specially
when we
>> > > > utterly
>> > > > > dislike an individual.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --Ram da
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 6/3/08, uttam borthakur <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Ram Da
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I was not indicting Ripun Bora at all.. If you re-read, you
shall
>> > see
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > > my sole emphasis was about his comments on Dr. Amarjyoti
>> Choudhury.
>> > > > Some
>> > > > > > people kowtowed his line in holding Dr. Choudhury responsible
for
>> > > > > chickening
>> > > > > > out. In fact, I did not like this kind of diatribe, because
it is
>> > Dr.
>> > > > > > Choudhury's liberty of taking a decision that was under fire.
And
>> > my
>> > > > > > aversion towards Ripun Bora kind of politicians is not borne
out
>> of
>> > > > this
>> > > > > > news item, but personal experiences over so many years. Ram
Da,
>> you
>> > > > > > eulogised the wisdom and the action of the INDIAN STATE based
on
>> a
>> > > > single
>> > > > > > unverified report on SHG. We have seen that there are some
SHGs
>> > that
>> > > > are
>> > > > > > good and sincere and have taken up where the INDIAN STATE has
>> > > abdicated
>> > > > > its
>> > > > > > earlier responsibilities; but most are rotten and are after
a
>> fast
>> > > > buck.
>> > > > > > One thing in that news item struck me: mention of Rs.10, 00,
>> 000/-
>> > as
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > profit for the year. It is pretty difficult in Assam unless
the
>> > > extent
>> > > > of
>> > > > > > the land is substantial. Now getting
>> > > > > > possession of substantial land by a group of persons having a
>> > history
>> > > > of
>> > > > > > retail trade of terror and then changing sides is something
that
>> is
>> > > > > smelly.
>> > > > > > Many people have returned rich from the ranks and some have
used
>> > > their
>> > > > > > history to intimidate unarmed people to grab land and other
>> > > resources.
>> > > > > That
>> > > > > > was my concern and that was what I told you. The only known
>> history
>> > > of
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > person concerned is that he has deserted the ranks of a
fighting
>> > > outfit
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > is capable of intimidation. Ripun Bora, in contrast, has a
>> > wellknown
>> > > > > history
>> > > > > > and we can come to some highly probabilistic conclusion (
none
>> can
>> > > > judge
>> > > > > > himself for sure till death) about Sri Bora, cannot we? Ram
Da,
>> it
>> > is
>> > > > my
>> > > > > > request that a question or a comment should take colour from
the
>> > > > context
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > should not be dealt with torn from such context.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > Hi C'da,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >*** 'Any more'? Come now Ram, WHEN was it reliable ?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Well, let me put it this way, we often consider it reliable
when
>> we
>> > > > chose
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > do so. We have all seen (on this net) many of us have over
the
>> > years
>> > > > sent
>> > > > > > links from the news media from Assam as well as the rest of
India
>> > > > > whenever
>> > > > > > it seems to echo their own views.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >*** I think the bigger urge is the need to feel good about
India
>> > > > > > >doing good by Assam and thus the attempt at groping at every
>> straw
>> > > > > > >that floats by :-).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Could be, could be. But I suspect it is a far milder one than
>> that
>> > > > > > vitriolic
>> > > > > > urge to bash India at every opportunity :)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Look at this Ripun Bora case. Many of us, are more than
willing
>> to
>> > > bury
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > montri because of the arrest. Are we jumping to conclusions?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Even Uttam, who so wisely cautioned me 'not to get euphoric
or
>> > > > depressed'
>> > > > > > at
>> > > > > > the drop of a hat, has, I suspect, already convicted Ripun
>> (before
>> > > the
>> > > > > > trial). :).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > After reading some of the news reports (I am hoping that
these
>> are
>> > > > > > reliable), and I am sure now that many have deemed them
reliable,
>> > > that
>> > > > > must
>> > > > > > be the case....
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > One guy was arrested at Guwahati, taken back to Delhi, and
claims
>> > he
>> > > as
>> > > > > > bribing on behalf of Ripun Bora. And so they arrested the
montri?
>> > > > > > I am surprised that a claim by a 3rd person can bring down a
>> > montri.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > This morning I called some of my own 'reliable sources' at
>> > Guwahati.
>> > > > They
>> > > > > > ALL felt that this was a setup and the CBI thing stinks to
high
>> > > heaven,
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > that Bora has many political foes (even within the Congress),
and
>> > > > lastly
>> > > > > > that he has been doing good as an Education minister.
>> > > > > > (not my opinions - I know very little of the ground
situation).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Maybe it is all true, and maybe it isn't - but I would like
to
>> wait
>> > > and
>> > > > > see
>> > > > > > how all this ends up, but more importantly, I would like to
be
>> fair
>> > > and
>> > > > > > give
>> > > > > > the minister a chance to defend himself.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > But this much I am fairly sure of - almost all politicians
thrive
>> > on
>> > > > > bribes
>> > > > > > and corruption, and it is only a question of degrees.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --Ram
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 6/3/08, Chan Mahanta wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >It is quite difficult to decipher from here what is
>> > > > > > > >"behind" any news item anymore.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *** 'Any more'? Come now Ram, WHEN was it reliable ?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *** I think the bigger urge is the need to feel good about
>> India
>> > > > > > > doing good by Assam and thus the attempt at groping at
every
>> > straw
>> > > > > > > that floats by :-).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > At 11:08 PM -0500 6/2/08, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>> > > > > > > >Hi Uttam,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >You are correct. It is quite difficult to decipher from
here
>> > what
>> > > is
>> > > > > > > >"behind" any news item anymore.
>> > > > > > > >But, we take them as they come and there aren't too many
ways
>> to
>> > > > > > > cross-check
>> > > > > > > >news items.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >--Ram da
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >On 6/2/08, uttam borthakur wrote:
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Ram Da
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Will it not be prudent to get all the facts together
before
>> > > > getting
>> > > > > > > >> euphoric? You know as well as all of us do that 'SHG' is
not
>> a
>> > > > magic
>> > > > > > > wand.
>> > > > > > > >> The land acquired by the SHG( the process), the initial
>> funds
>> > > > raised
>> > > > > > by
>> > > > > > > >> them( the process) may not be accessible to a poor
farmer in
>> > > Assam
>> > > > > > > without a
>> > > > > > > >> history like the person in question and his cohorts
have. So
>> > let
>> > > > us
>> > > > > > not
>> > > > > > > >> repeat the bane of being euphoric or depressed too fast.
>> These
>> > > > days
>> > > > > > > news
>> > > > > > > >> reports are also not very innocuous.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> Now, here is some great, positive news!
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> And for those of us who see everything is wrong with
Dilli,
>> > the
>> > > > > > > >> Swarnjayanti
>> > > > > > > >> Gram Swarozgar Yojana initiated by Dilli is doing
wonders.
>> > > > > > > >> Highlights mine.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> --Ram
>> > > > > > > >> ____________
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Self-help groups in Assam transform rural economy
(Feature)
>> > > > > > > >> June 1st, 2008 - 12:59 pm ICT by admin -
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> By Syed Zarir Hussain
>> > > > > > > >> Nagaon (Assam), June 1 (IANS) Karuna Kalita was once an
>> > > explosives
>> > > > > > > expert
>> > > > > > > >> with the terror group United Liberation Front of Asom
>> (ULFA).
>> > > But
>> > > > he
>> > > > > > > got
>> > > > > > > >> fed
>> > > > > > > >> up with life in the jungles and surrendered in 2003. He
>> opted
>> > > for
>> > > > a
>> > > > > > new
>> > > > > > > >> life
>> > > > > > > >> by forming a self-help group (SHG). The 36-year-old
former
>> > > rebel,
>> > > > > who
>> > > > > > > is a
>> > > > > > > >> father of two, is today into mechanised farming, growing
>> paddy
>> > > in
>> > > > an
>> > > > > > > acre
>> > > > > > > >> of
>> > > > > > > >> land, besides cultivating cabbage, mustard, and bhut
jolokia
>> -
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > hottest
>> > > > > > > >> chilli on earth - at his native Dhing village in the
central
>> > > Assam
>> > > > > > > district
>> > > > > > > >> of Nagaon.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> "I have 12 other members in my SHG and we are working
hard.
>> > Last
>> > > > > year
>> > > > > > > we
>> > > > > > > >> earned about Rs.1 million," Kalita said before he jumped
>> into
>> > > his
>> > > > > > > tractor
>> > > > > > > >> and set off for work.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> >From former separatists to housewives to educated but
>> > > unemployed
>> > > > > > > youths,
>> > > > > > > >> thousands of people in the northeastern state of Assam
are
>> > > pushing
>> > > > > > > >> micro-enterprises into profitable business ventures,
thereby
>> > > > turning
>> > > > > > > around
>> > > > > > > >> the region's rural economy.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> There are more than 90,000 SHGs working in diverse
fields in
>> > > rural
>> > > > > > > Assam -
>> > > > > > > >> the whopping number being an indicator of the success of
the
>> > > > central
>> > > > > > > >> government-aided venture in working towards development
and
>> > > > boosting
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> rural economy.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> "Earlier, earning Rs.3,000 per month was unthinkable.
But
>> now
>> > > > after
>> > > > > > > setting
>> > > > > > > >> up an SHG, I and my seven friends are not only earning
but
>> > also
>> > > > > > > encouraging
>> > > > > > > >> others like us to do something and earn a living," said
>> > > Nandeswar
>> > > > > > > Dihingia,
>> > > > > > > >> a college dropout in Dhing.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> *The concept of SHGs got a major impetus after New Delhi
>> > > launched
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> Swarnjayanti Gram Swarozgar Yojana (SGSY) - a programme
>> aimed
>> > at
>> > > > > > > bringing
>> > > > > > > >> families above the poverty line by ensuring a
sustainable
>> > level
>> > > of
>> > > > > > > >> **income*
>> > > > > > > >> * over a period of time.*
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> "The SHG scheme has led to a silent economic revolution
>> > sweeping
>> > > > > > > through
>> > > > > > > >> rural Assam. This is a good sign as people are getting
>> > involved
>> > > in
>> > > > > > > self-
>> > > > > > > >> enterprise,"
>> > > > > > > >> Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi told IANS.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> *Under the programme, SHGs can avail themselves of
>> assistance
>> > in
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > form
>> > > > > > > >> of
>> > > > > > > >> **bank loans*
>> > > > > > > >> *, supported by back-ended government subsidy - a group
can
>> > > avail
>> > > > > > > itself of
>> > > > > > > >> a government subsidy up to Rs.125,000.*
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> >From dairy to mechanised farming, weavin, poultry, food
>> > > > processing
>> > > > > > > >> unitsand
>> > > > > > > >> mushroom cultivation, people in Assam's countryside are
busy
>> > > > setting
>> > > > > > > > > up
>> > > > > > > >> micro-enterprises by forming SHGs.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> "We are now self-reliant and able to speak with our
heads
>> > high,"
>> > > > > said
>> > > > > > > >> Rupanjali Gharphulia. Rupanjali along with a dozen-odd
>> > > housewives
>> > > > > had
>> > > > > > > >> opened
>> > > > > > > >> a poultry farm with bank loans and is today making a
>> > substantial
>> > > > > > > profit.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> *The self-help group movement has indirectly come to
perform
>> > the
>> > > > > role
>> > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > >> peacemaker in a state where militancy is a problem*.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> *"One can only hope this movement indirectly helps solve
the
>> > > > > region's
>> > > > > > > >> growing unemployment problem, which in turn could tame
>> > > insurgency
>> > > > in
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> state," Assam Panchayat and Rural Development Minister
>> Chandan
>> > > > > Brahma
>> > > > > > > >> said.*
>> > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
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>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >>
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