[Assam] Ripun Bora

Fri Jun 6 14:10:01 PDT 2008

KC,

>About the benefit of doubt --   had it not been Ripun
>Bora would you think about giving him benefit of
>doubt.  Did you think about benefit of doubt when (for
>example) ....

Oh! I wasn't suggesting that the whole world give him the benefit of doubt -
just netters.
Yes, it is precisely because I have known him for so long, and I find it
difficult to believe that he would do this.

As to his huge wealth etc, I haven't kept up with that. But is that why he
was arrested?
If Ripun Bora is guilty/suspected of murder, why wasn't he arrested for
murder?

And if he, and is found guilty, he should be punished as any common
criminal.
Till then.

--Ram da

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Krishnendu Chakraborty <krish_gau at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ram-da
>
> I would say it would be naive to be prejudiced based
> on what one was during the student days.  During those
> days most people are  idealistic  and covered with a
> romanticism to change the world.  Days change and
> people do change.
>
> One good example of this is the AGP leaders who were
> considered the saviour of Assam during the agitation
> days (they were AASU leaders then).
>
> About the benefit of doubt --   had it not been Ripun
> Bora would you think about giving him benefit of
> doubt.  Did you think about benefit of doubt when (for
> example) Lalu got involved in the fodder scam .
> I understand your psychology ....  you have seen a
> honest person and so now it becomes difficult to
> imagine that he can do any wrong.  But think from
> other's angle ... people who see that 99% of
> politicians are corrupt . Why they would give him a
> benefit of doubt ?
>
>
> There are news reports quoting Topno's mother that
> Bora offered them money to drop the case  asking for
> CBI probe . Is it a part of the game ? May be.
>
> Bora's current declared asset is over one crore
> including two flats in Delhi's posh Vasant Kunj
> (which are grossly under valued) without any loan.
> What is the salary of an ACS ? And remember ,  that is
> just the declared Asset.
>
> As for the journo being in Delhi ,    had it not been
> real would the media not side with their colleague ?
>
> I am with you in the hope that he gets a fair trial
> but as for Media sensalization,  I would not be too
> hopeful.  As I showed earlier, be in US or India,
> public figures would remain focus of Media in such
> cases.
>
>
>
>
>
> >Hi KC,
> >
> >Let me try to answer as best as I can. First things
> first, though. I should
> >outright say that I have known Ripun since our Cotton
> College days. We are
> >good friends. I have always enquired about him, and
> he has of me thru other
> >friends.
>
> Of course, I have not seen him for well over 25 years.
> As colleagues, we
> knew him to be one of the best to have around -
> sensitive, caring, and
> honest. So, this thing does come as a jolt to us. But
> I have been trying to
> be fair, and at the same time trying to give him the
> benefit of doubt.
>
> I know that many here (on this net) and the media have
> already condemned and
> possibily convicted him - just wondering if Assam
> netters (some of the most
> intelligent people are here) could also afford him
> that benefit of doubt -
> but maybe I am wrong and asking for too much:)
>
> Yes, you are correct that arrests are made on the
> assumption of guilt - but
> that is for the authorities, that is how it works.
> There is a process, and
> let Bora go thru that.
>
> But as statement like "he was arrested because he did
> something wrong" tells
> me that
>
> (a) innocent people are never arrested and (b) what
> the CBI tells us is the
> Gospel, and it is somehow the last bastion of truth.
>
> >1) Why did he ask a CBI officer from Kolkata to meet
> him in Delhi ? 2)  Why
> was a
> >journalist from Assam accompanying him to Delhi?  Was
> it an official
> assignment of the journo ?
>
> Yeah, I read these too.  But who is saying this? The
> CBI (which you also say
> is considered corrupt)?
>
> There have been a number of times even over this very
> net, in situations
> like this, people on this net have asked the system
> play out (even though
> there may be a corrupt system), but with Bora's case,
> some seem to be more
> than willing to get a rope.
>
> >Think about the recent case of NY Governor who had to
> >resign because of a sex scandal.  Did the media wait
> >for due process etc before turning the attention to
> >him ...
>
> I hope there is a big difference between how the media
> thinks and how common
> folks like us think.
>
> Maybe its hope against hope, but I do hope he gets a
> fair trial, and a fair
> pre-trial sensationalism, if thats not asking too
> much.
>
> --Ram da
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Krishnendu
> Chakraborty <krish_gau at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ram-da
> >
> > I do not think that an average Assamese (or Indian)
> > think that Bora is the *ONLY* corrupt politician.
> > However,  since he was caught the attention turned
> to
> > him.   All your arguments that he might have been
> > trapped or CBI is also corrupt etc are valid  but
> the
> > questions remain .... 1) Why did he ask a CBI
> officer
> > from Kolkata to meet him in Delhi ? 2)  Why was a
> > journalist from Assam accompanying him to Delhi?
> Was
> > it an official assignment of the journo ?
> >
> > Think about the recent case of NY Governor who had
> to
> > resign because of a sex scandal.  Did the media wait
> > for due process etc before turning the attention to
> > him ...
> >
> > Public figures enjoy a lot of privileges but one
> > missed step and they end up being the most
> despicable
> > person.
> >
> >
> > >>You assumed he did Wrong and that is why he was
> > arrested.
> >
> > Arrests all over the world are largely based on some
> > degree of ASSUMPTION  that someone committed a
> crime.
> >  The court decides if the assumption is correct.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>You are taking shelter under the fallacy that two
> > wrongs  make a right.The
> > >>fact that most politicians are corrupt does not
> mean
> > that Bora has one
> > right
> > >>to fill his pocket with ill-gotten money
> >
> > >Am I? You are trying to put words in my mouth. When
> > >did I ever claim the
> > >above or argue that Bora or anyone for that matter
> > has that right and I
> > hope, I don't look stupid as I look!
> >
> > Let us look at this exchange between you and me
> below:
> >
> > *You:        >The bottom line is---  Bora was
> > apprehended because of the
> > fact
> >               >that he did something wrong.
> > *
> > *Me:*         >Really, the others don't do anything
> > wrong? Or is it they
> > simply did not get caught, and  >Bora did? IMHO
> Bora's
> > crime was being
> > stupid to get caught or getting placed in a
> situation
> > where >he >could be ID
> > ed.
> >
> > You assumed he did Wrong and that is why he was
> > arrested. IF that is the
> > standard in India, the jails would be full. My
> > question is this, why aren't
> > others who do wrong also arrested?.
> >
> >
> > --Ram
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:05 PM, kamal deka
> <kjit.deka
> > at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You are taking shelter under the fallacy that two
> > wrongs  make a right.The
> > > fact that most politicians are corrupt does not
> mean
> > that Bora has one
> > > right
> > > to fill his pocket with ill-gotten money.The issue
> > of corruption,a vital
> > > one,is a different kettle of fish .After scanning
> > media reports,I don't
> > > find
> > > an iota of indication that the sting operation was
> > carried out on account
> > > of
> > > personal vendetta.What I do best is collate
> > information and draw my own
> > > inference.
> > >  KJD
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> assam mailing list
> assam at assamnet.org
> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>