[Assam] Tranperancy?

[Ram Sarangapani]

C'da,

I must have missed it somehow.
>Only thing I would like to add is that I don't take ANY pleasure from
India's unending problems

Oh! I know that - just pulling your leg :)

>What I want to see is India reforming itself , so that Assam no longer
remains hostage to a dysfunctional India.. That would be >killing two birds
at one shot, won't it :-)?

Not exactly sure what you mean by "Assam no longer remains hostage to a
dysfunctional India"

Say if India reformed herself, would Assam then remain hostage to a
functional India? Would the fringe who now want to separate want to be a
part of a successful India?.

More or less agree with the rest.

>None of this will happen until THOSE institutions of state that a
functional state depends on -- like investigation, prosecution, >justice
 and so forth are thoroughly overhauled, outdated and unenforceable and
otherwise ineffective and unnecessary laws and >regulations are  purged, the
back-log of the courts
>cleared to a reasonable level, like say two or three years at most, and the
rules by which all would play--the laws of the land--are >made
understandable by the ordinary man, without requiring interpretation of a
whole industry of shysters.

You are talking about a paradigm shift of sorts. For something like this to
come to fruition, India may actually need to have some sort of dictatorship
for  a good 15-20 year period.

If the PMO does not have to guts to be transperant, then it is very
difficult to lay down the rules.

--Ram






That may well be a cherished dream for many, but the reality may be far
different. Suppose India did reform heself

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:

> I saw that Ram, and posted it to assamnet yesterday  under the subject line
> of   :Now This -- From ToI
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> Only thing I would like to add is that I don't take ANY pleasure from
> India's unending problems.
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> What I want to see is India reforming itself , so that Assam no longer
> remains hostage to a dysfunctional India.. That would be killing two birds
> at one shot, won't it :-)?
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> But none of this would happen, unless India's intelligentsia and its
> supporters from abroad remain uneducated about what needs done and remain
> uninvolved in doing it.
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> Imagine, if 25 years ago India would have started correcting what led Assam
> to taking up arms, we probably wouldn't have been talking about it today!
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> If India has to be taken seriously, there must be transperancy.
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> *** That is NOT enough Ram. Transparency means we will see who is doing
> what  and who is not .  That we already can tell.  Everybody knows that. The
> problem is that India's institutions of state are soo dysfunctional that
> they are incapable of:
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>        A: Holding wrong-doers accountable.
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>        B: Bringing them to justice-if required, give them due process, and
> punish the guilty
>        if need be and thus  create deterrence .
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>        C: Reward the doers, protect them, support them  and punish the
>  wrong-doers, so that
>        finally, the ranks of the doers and the ethical will begin to grow
> and  become the drivers
>        of progress.
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> None of this will happen until THOSE institutions of state that a
> functional state depends on -- like investigation, prosecution, justice  and
> so forth are thoroughly overhauled, outdated and unenforceable and otherwise
> ineffective and unnecessary laws and regulations are  purged, the back-log
> of the courts
> cleared to a reasonable level, like say two or three years at most, and the
> rules by which all would play--the laws of the land--are made understandable
> by the ordinary man, without requiring interpretation of a whole industry of
> shysters.
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> Conflict resolution must  happen fairly and quickly.  That is its only
> hope.
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> Unfortunately these won't happen unless the electoral system also is
> thoroughly reformed to bring in those people who are able and ethical .
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> That means the people need to be educated about their roles too. So that
> education at the grassroots must begin now, so that a new generation of
> adults will begin to utilize their education to change things.
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> At 11:55 AM -0600 2/2/09, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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>>   This from the TOI, and it is just the thing C'da might like  - I can
>> visualize him licking his chops ! :) :).
>>
>> But seriously, however much one can try to prop up India, it is downright
>> shameful that this PMO is trying to protect corrupt montries everywhere.
>>
>> One of the reader comments was to do away with RTI altogether, as it
>> basically protects all the corrupt people in the country. It has no teeth.
>>
>> If India has to be taken seriously, there must be transperancy.
>>
>> Reader comments are interesting too.
>>
>> It is a darn shame.
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>> --Ram
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>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Assets_of_ministers_kin_out_of_RTI_ambit_PMO/articleshow/4060646.cms
>>
>> NEW DELHI: At a time when pressure is mounting on the judiciary to
>> disclose
>> its assets, the executive wing of the government has come into the
>> limelight for its attitude towards transparency.
>>  In a decision that could have a far-reaching impact on administrative
>> accountability, the PMO, widely seen as leading the government towards
>> transparency has decided to withhold information related to assets of
>> ministers and their relatives.
>>  Responding to a query by applicant Subhash Chandra Agrawal, the PMO
>> termed
>> the information as exempt under clauses 8(1)(e) and 8(1)(j) which relate
>> to
>> immunity granted to "documents fiduciary relationship" and "Cabinet
>> documents" under the RTI Act.
>>  Agrawal has now filed an appeal with the Central Information Commission.
>>  Significantly, the PMO had initially agreed to part with the information.
>> But in a curious U-turn on December 17, 2008, the PMO held that details
>> sought by the applicant were exempt from disclosure. The `no' was repeated
>> on January 27, 2009, when Agrawal persisted with his effort.
>>  It was last year that Agrawal had filed the RTI application seeking
>> details
>> of assets of Union ministers and their relatives for the last two years
>> from
>> cabinet secretariat. The letter was forwarded to Prime Minister's Office
>> for
>> necessary action.
>>  In his appeal, Agrawal points to the PMO's reversal of stance. "The PMO
>> was
>> ready to divulge the information but there has been a change in decision,"
>> Agrawal said.
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