[Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 21
Tushar Das
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Mon Mar 16 03:59:46 PDT 2009
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followed the instructions for getting delisted, but it doesn't seem to
work.
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1. Aroonudai Sangbad:: An Assamese Weekly Newspaper
(Buljit Buragohain)
2. Re: About the Name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
3. About the name Assam (kamal deka)
4. Web site (Mahesh Baishya)
5. Re: Web site (Dilip and Dil Deka)
6. Re: Web site (Alpana B. Sarangapani)
7. Re: About the name Assam (Chan Mahanta)
8. Re: Web site (Chan Mahanta)
9. Re: About the Name Assam (uttam borthakur)
10. Re: About the Name Assam (umesh sharma)
11. Re: About the Name Assam (uttam borthakur)
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:37 +0530 (IST)
From: Buljit Buragohain <buluassam at yahoo.co.in>
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:58:11 -0500
From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
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Uttam
We are primarily discussing the spelling of the word ASSAM. But it is
invariably connected to its pronunciation. We are making two statements
here.
In my article, I am showing that the pronunciation of the name
ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASHYAM/ASSAM (We are not debating how A is pronounced by
different, but basically same S pronunciation) was the earlier name of the
state which was there since the advent of the Ti-Ahoms to Assam. It was the
pronunciation used by the Assamese people also (till 18th century) as well
as the outsiders till now.
The popular local and dear OXOM pronunciation came later.( sometimes in the
18th century only according to me. The exact date is open for debate
however)
Thus according to me, the British did not invent the pronunciation
ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASSAM because it was already there when the British came.
That pronunciation was already being used by the Moghols and other Europeans
when the British came to the scene. At that time however, local Assamese
switched to the pronunciation OXOM. But all non khar-khowas were calling our
land by the pronunciation ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASSAM .
Now what Wahid Salleh has shown, with documentary proof, that even the
spelling ASSAM was not coined by the British because the Dutch used that
spelling long before the British.
Either way, the word ASSAM is not an anglicised word but a word very much
rooted in Assamese culture since 13th century.
If someone wants to show that word ASSAM is an anglicised word from the
Assamese word OXOM, they need to show some proof and historical document.
Otherwise it is a popular myth among the Assamese.
We are saying that both the words OXOM and ASSAM are hare-himojuwe Assamese
words, and let us keep these that way.
Many countries have two names, not to speak of INDIA and BHARAT without any
problem.
What is our problem?
Rajen Barua
From: uttam borthakur
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:20 AM
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
Are we discussing the spelling of 'Assam' in English or how it is
pronounced? ( Please note that being an Oxomiya I do not pronounce 'a' as
the Brits and the Americans do. So, by 'how it is pronounced' I mean by
peoples across the board)
Uttam Kumar Borthakur
________________________________
From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
<assam at assamnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 8:27:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
Who are " they"? If the certified authorities already know the truth, then
why should the issue be 'mired in controvery'?That is the sole reason why we
need a consensus.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>>
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>
> **** I don't know WHO might argue otherwise. I suspect the authorities
> whose certification would be required to accept the authenticity of the
> Dutch documents that Wahid Saleh showed us need some prodding to do the
due
> diligence. But then again they may already know the truths they need to
> know and would not stoop to examine something found by rank amateurs.
>
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> At 9:15 AM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> I f the etymology of Assam " is mired in controversy",then why must we
>> accept Assam ( mark you,not Asam/Acam/Asham )as the original name of our
>> state?By the way,hypothesis is one thing while ' undeniable fact '
>> quite another.
>> At no point of my writing did I suggest that the name Assam should not be
>> accepted as the name of our state.That is not the moot point.
>> If the " word Assam has not found incontrovertible origin",in what sense
>> would it be wrong to say that the very name called Assam could be an
>> Anglicised one?
>> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>> KJ Deka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, uttam borthakur <
>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.
>>>
>>> ####### 'I think' was to suggest that I do not have the copy of the
>>> newspaper that published Professor Jogen Phukan's photograph addressing
>>> a
>>> huge rally of some sort on this isuue, nor do I have access to the TV
>>> footage reporting it. My memory of the news items therefore may not be
>>> unwavering truth, but it can possibly be retrieved by resouceful
>>> persons.
>>>
>>> As the question of 'real historian' was tossed up, I thought I may make
>>> an
>>> addition to the bibliography provided by Sri Rajen Barua and W. Saleh.
>>> But I
>>> should not have dared where angels fear to tread.
>>>
>>> You are correct that the word 'Assam' has not found an incontrovertible
>>> origin. So have many things in life. Like the origin of the human beings
>>> and/or life itself. But we do not teach or push it down some one's
>>> throat
>>> that Adam and Eve started the whole process, though there are many
>>> takers
>>> for such an idea. We all work on working hypothesis and probability as
>>> adults.
>>>
>>> Here, the origin of the word 'Assam' is still mired in controversy. Then
>>> there should not be any reason to say for sure that it is anglicised
>>> version
>>> of Oxom or some other such words nor there should be any inchoate
>>> attempts
>>> to rename the state Asom, as some quarters are trying to do.
>>>
>>> Pending a final resolution, if any, let us accept ASSAM as a name by
>>> which
>>> our land is known to the world, and OXOM is what we ourselves call our
>>> land
>>> as.
>>>
>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>> <
>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 6:26:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>>> The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.Simply put,there is no consensus among
>>> academicians/historians in so far as this issue is concerned.
>>>
>> > KJDeka
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM, uttam borthakur <
>>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think a 'real historian' Dr. Jogen Phukan almost led an mass action
>>> > against the change of name to Asom for same or similar reasons.
>>> >
>>> > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>> world <
>>> > assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, 14 March, 2009 7:45:49 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>> > >
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > Dear Kamal Bhaity:
>>> > Thanks for your opinion on my article and stating your 'belief'.
>>> > My article was written not to change yours or anybody's 'belief', but
>>> to
>>> > let people see the facts and to think rationally analysing the
>>> available
>>> > facts of history. If one does that, one will normally come to the
>>> obvious
>>> > conclusion that Assam is not a anglicized word. In your writing also
>>> you
>>> > have indicated that. However your problem in still sticking to your
>>> old
>>> > belief that Assam is an anglicized word seems to be two:
>>> > 1) You are convinced about the rational argument that Assam, Asam
>>> (phonetic
>>> > pronunciation only) is a local word but that you are not yet 100%
>>> convinced
>>> > and that you still have some shadow of doubt.
>>> > 2) Your other problem is that you want to see some writing by some
>>> "real"
>>> > historians and not to be convinced by writing of of some 'neophyte
>>> > historians" like us. Here what you are saying is that you would have
>>> been
>>> > convinced of our arguments had we been "real" historians. I cannot
>>> help
>>> you
>>> > there. But I take it as a compliment. Because what you are saying is
>>> that
>>> if
>>> > I would have a PhD degree in history you would have been convinced
>>> beyond
>>> a
>>> > shadow of doubt that my arguments are correct and the name Assam or
>>> Asam
>>> is
>>> > not an anglicized word. ( I think I qualify for your other
>>> requirement. I
>>> > have spent decades now studying the history of Assam albeit not for
>>> any
>>> > degree.)
>>> >
>>> > I can however help you to some extent by submitting the following.
>>> >
>>> > Hope you remember that in 2006, we (some neophyte historians) wrote a
>>> > Petition to the Chief Minister of Assam not to change the name of
>>> Assam
>>> to
>>> > Asom. The main arguments of the Petition was that 'Assam' is not an
>>> > anglicized word but a word which was rooted in local culture. We sent
>>> the
>>> > Petition to many historians, intellectuals and men of letters of Assam
>>> for
>>> > their support and signatures. To convince them of our argument, I
>>> personally
>>> > took the pain to discuss with many of them and sent them the earlier
>>> > version of my article. You will be happy to know all of them that we
>>> have
>>> > approcahed supported our arguments and signed the Petition. These
>>> include
>>> > several Ex President of Axam Xahutya Xobha and many notable historians
>>> > including Dr Jogendra Nath Phukan and Dr Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia. It was
>>> also
>>> > supported by Dr Bhupen Hazarika, Dr Hiren Gohain and whose signature
>>> did
>>> not
>>> > appear in the Petition. I present this as their stamp of approval of
>>> my
>>> > arguments for
>>> > your information since you are looking for support from "real"
>>> historians.
>>> >
>>> > Besides these, there are many "real" historians who have shown that
>>> 'Assam'
>>> > or 'Asam" is not a anglicised name. I have cited some in my article.
>>> You
>>> > will have read for yourself to see their writing.
>>> >
>>> > I post below the first fefteen signatories to the Petion (the fist
>>> three
>>> > being the 'neophyte historians, in your words)
>>> >
>>> > Again, I am not trying to change your belief, but laying the facts for
>>> > rational thinking.
>>> >
>>> > The fist fifteen signatories of the Petition:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1)Rajen & Ajanta Barua, Katy, Texas, USA (Engineer, Writer & Manager)
>>> > 2)Chandan & Dr. Bonti Mahanta, St Louis, MO, USA (Architect &
>>>
>> > Radiologist)
>>
>>> > 3)Wahid Saleh, Berkel en Rodenrijs, The Netherlands. (Retired IT
>>> Manager,
>>> > Community service)
>>> >
>>> > 4)Homen Borgohain, Guwahati, Assam, ((Ex President Axam Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 5)Dr. Nagen Saikia , Guwahati, Assam (Ex President, Axam Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 6)Dr.Biren Dutta, Guwahati, Assam, (Ex President Axam Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 7)Dr. Lakhinandan Bora, Guwahati, Assam , (Ex President Axam Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 8)Dr. Mamoni Raisom Goswami, Guwahati/Delhi, (Gyanpith Award Winner,
>>> > Novelist, Professor)
>>>
>> > > 9)Nagen Baruah, Dibrugarh, Assam (President Ahom Xahitya Xabha)
>>
>>> > 10)Dr. Jogendra Nath Phukan, Guwahati, Assam (Professor of History)
>>> > 11)Sanjoy Hazarika, Guwahati/Delhi, India (Journalist, Author, Social
>>> > Worker)
>>> > 12)Shantikam & Sangita Hazarika, Guwahati, (Founder Director of AIM &
>>> Dance
>>> > Teacher)
>>> > 13)Sumanta Chaliha, Guwahati, Assam, (Lexicographer, Author of
>>> Assamese
>>> > Dictionaries)
>>> > 14)Dr. Amrit Kr. Baruah, Baltimore, Maryland, USA (Writer, Author,
>>> > Management Consultant)
>>> > 15)Dr. Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia, Chapel Hill, NC, USA (Professor of
>>> History,
>>> > Author on Ahom Buronjis)
>>> >
>>> > Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: kamal deka
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:47 PM
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>> world
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > In various documents of British East India Company, in their
>>> relationships
>>> > with the last few Ahom kings, the name of country was mentioned as
>>> Assam.
>>> > After the fall of the Ahom kingdom and the conquest by the British in
>>> 1826,
>>> > in the Treaty of Yandabo, "Assam" was used to denote the area under
>>> the
>>> > erstwhile Ahoms, and its protectorates .
>>> >
>>> > *Theories on etymology*
>>> >
>>> > Though there exists a consensus on the fact that the name Assam is
>>> > associated with the Ahom kingdom, and the exact etymology of Assam is
>>> not
>>> > clear.The ere are a number of theories that address this issue.
>>> >
>>> > *Ha-sam*
>>> >
>>> > According to Amalendu Guha "The Ahom domain of Upper Assam came to be
>>> known
>>> > to the Dimasa and other Bodo people as "Ha-Sam" (the land of the Shams
>>> or
>>> > Shans) in etheir language. From this the terms 'Asam' and 'Ahom' were
>>> > derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for the
>>> expanded
>>> > Ahom klngdom. Under the impact of the Indo-Aryan heritage of the
>>> region,
>>> > the
>>> > concept of 'Asam' was further extended to cover the entire area
>>> defined
>>> as
>>> > 'Kamarupa' in the Kalika-Purana (c 9th-10th centuries). The Ahom
>>> statesmen
>>> > and chroniclers wishfully looked forward to the Karatoya as their
>>> natural
>>> > western frontier. They also looked upon themselves as the heirs of
>>> that
>>> > glory that was ancient Kamarupa by right of conquest, and they long
>>> > cherished infructuously their unfulfilled hopes of expanding up to
>>> that
>>> > frontier." [*The Ahom Political System: An Enquiry into the State
>>> Formation
>>> > Process in Medieval Assam (1228-1714), Amalendu Guha, Social
>>> Scientist,
>>> > Vol.
>>> > 11, No. 12. (Dec., 1983), pp. 3-34.*]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> >
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>>> > >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:50:23 -0500
>>> > >> Subject: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About
>>> the
>>> > Name
>>> > >> Assam
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>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid:
>>> > >> Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name 'Asam' or 'Asham'
>>> (for
>>> > the
>>> > >> name of the land) was much older than whcih came to be used for
>>> the
>>> > name of
>>> > >> the land only in the 17th century. Originally, the word was used
>>> in
>>> the
>>> > >> Kirton by Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in the 15th
>>> century.
>>> > >> According to me, this word (for the people) as used by Xongkordeu,
>>> was
>>> > >> originally derived from the word Asahm (for the people written in
>>> > Devanagari
>>> > >> and Urdu skript) by the Moghols. This word later was used for the
>>> land
>>> > >> (instead of the people), and a new word Ahom was used for the
>>> people.
>>> > Thus
>>> > >> Ahom is also a new word, which is not to found in Ti Ahom Buronjis.
>>> > Please
>>> > >> note that the word Asham was originally used for the people and was
>>> > later
>>> > >> changed to mean the land instead of the people when the Moghols
>>> used
>>> the
>>> > >> name in correspondence.
>>> > >> Thanks
>>> > >> Rajen
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM) <<mailto:
>>> > >> wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rajen,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks for sharing your article " "In your article you mentioned
>>> about
>>> > >> Glanius.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Till now almost all the historians thought that Glanius went to
>>> Assam.
>>> > But
>>> > >> it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a Dutch sailor named
>>> Frans
>>> > van
>>> > >> der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju Mala. He kept a
>>> diary
>>> > >> which was first published in 1675. It is very difficult to find out
>>> who
>>> > >> Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch including the
>>> diary
>>> of
>>> > >> Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was published in 1682
>>> > (from
>>> > >> UK). In his translation he used first person and nowhere mentioned
>>> or
>>> > >> referred to the name of the original author Frans van de Heiden. As
>>> most
>>> > of
>>> > >> the historians had access to the English translation only, they
>>> took
>>> it
>>> > for
>>> > >> granted that Glanius went to Assam. I tried to find out about
>>> Glanius
>>> > and
>>> > >> published an article. Here you will get some back ground
>>> information.
>>> A
>>> > >> mistake did slip in to this version of the article. I misspelt the
>>> name
>>> > of
>>> > >> Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
>>>
>> > > >>
>>
>>> > >> It is certain that the name Assam existed before Mirju Mala invaded
>>> > Assam
>>> > >> and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise Frans van der
>>> Heiden
>>> > would
>>> > >> not be in a position to write about Assam and Assmers. Different
>>> Mughal
>>> > >> historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham, Acham and ?s?m in
>>> their
>>> > >> writings." Asom" with an "o" in between was unknown to them. In
>>> > particular,
>>> > >> the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the following publications:
>>>
>> > Abul
>>
>>> > >> Fazal All?mi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a biographical
>>> account
>>> of
>>> > >> Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of Asham".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden wrote his diary in
>>> > 1662.
>>> > >> To write about the place and its inhabitants he used the name of
>>> the
>>> > State
>>> > >> as it was known at that time to the local people. Otherwise he
>>> would
>>> not
>>> > >> have used the name.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So we should start asking the question when was the name of Assam
>>> > changed
>>> > >> to ? In any case it is after 1662.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Van: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com [mailto:<mailto:
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com]
>>> > Namens
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >> Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
>>> > >> Aan: assamnet
>>> > >> CC: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
>>> > >> Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Friends
>>> > >> Looks like many people still think that Assam is an englished word
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > >> word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days written as
>>> Assam)
>>> is
>>> > much
>>> > >> older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later origin. One may
>>> read
>>> > my
>>> > >> article attached.
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
>>> > >>> To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
>>> > >>> >called the land "Oxom",
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> *** You do?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Did you know that the Ahom people, by and large, cannot pronounce
>>> the
>>> > >>> 'xo' sound and pronounce it as 'ho' or 'kho'?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >".......an invention of an European, and thus not credible?" - I
>>> am
>>> > >>> >not suggesting that at all. I am not Europhobic. :-)
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >Let's take the British days - the maps and the official records
>>> > >>> >meticulously prepared during that time called "Oxom" as "Assam"
>>> > >>> >whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
>>> called
>>> > >>> >the land "Oxom", the big difference being the sound of "x"
>>> versus
>>> > >>> >"s". What credibility would you give to the authenticity of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >"Assam" used by the British?
>>> > >>> >In the same token, why would I accept "Asam" as written by a
>>> Dutch
>>> > >>> >in 17th century as an authentic name? The Dutch, just like the
>>> > >>> >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
>>> > >>> >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch map as the original name, when
>>> did
>>> > >>> >it change to today's "Oxom" and who changed it?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >I still say "Assam" is anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized.
>>> Boy!
>>> > >>> >that sounds too much like Hollandaise sauce.
>>> > >>> >I am surprised there was no comment on the rest of my email.
>>> > >>> >Dilip
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >________________________________
>>> > >>> >From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
>>> the
>>>
>> > > >>> >world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>;
>> <mailto:
>>
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
>>> > >>> >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
>>> > >>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >> But I wouldn't use these books nor a book written in another
>>> > >>> >>European language (Dutch) to prove that >Assam is an indigenous
>>> > word.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch traveller who prepared the
>>> map
>>>
>> > > >>> where
>>
>>> > >>> >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was likely an invention of an
>>> European,
>>> > >>> >and thus not credible?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >>Kamal,
>>> > >>> >>In today's parlance, you are absolutely correct. The local
>>> people
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>call the land "Oxom" and, themselves "Oxomiya". When those
>>> words
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>are written as "Assam" and "Assamese", it is an attempt to
>>> anglicize
>>> > >>> >>the locally used words.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Now whether Oxom was derived from another word that was local
>>> to
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is another issue.
>>> > >>> >>As we all know the region (at least the western part) was
>>> called
>>> > >>> >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the name Kamrupa to change
>>> to
>>> > >>> >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There is no resemblance between
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>two words. So the natural assumption would be that the
>>> > >>> >>transformation to Oxom did not happen with the so called Hindu
>>> > >>> >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is more likely it happened
>>> with
>>> > >>> > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms, who for the first time
>>> in a
>>> > >>> >>long time brought the people of the region under one rule
>>> through
>>> > >>> >>political acumen.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I have in my possession books written/compiled by British
>>> officers
>>> > >>> >>where the word Assam is used. But I wouldn't use these books
>>> nor a
>>> > >>> >>book written in another European language (Dutch) to prove that
>>> > >>> >>Assam is an indigenous word. There needs to be more research
>>> done
>>> by
>>> > >>> >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the Buranjis of the Ahoms and
>>> whatever
>>> > >>> >>remains of the Ahom language.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many Buranjis were burnt
>>> during
>>> > >>> >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am also told many Buranjis are
>>> > >>> >>still available in the Ahom villages kept as family heirloom.
>>> Does
>>> > >>> >>anyone know how to read and decipher these tomes?
>>> > >>> >>Isn't there a scholar in all of Assam who could trace through
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>transformation of Ahom language from 1228 to the British days
>>> > >>> >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by the Ahoms to describe
>>> their
>>> > >>> kingdom?
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask how the Shans from Burma
>>> > >>> >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when it happened.
>>> > >>> >>If all of this is known to some netter, please publish it, so
>>> that
>>> > >>> > >some of us not exposed to recent findings in Assam can learn
>>> and
>>> > >>> >>stop arguing over a name.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Dilip Deka
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>________________________________
>>> > >>> >>From: kamal deka <<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > >>> >>To: <mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; A
>>> Mailing
>>> > list
>>> > >>> for people interested in
>>> > >>> >>Assam from around the world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39 AM
>>> > >>> >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>In my humble view,the very word " Assam" is an Anglicised
>>> one.As
>>> an
>>> > >>> >>adjective," Assamese " pertains to the characteristic of the
>>> people
>>> > of
>>> > >>> >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it means the native of Assam
>>> or
>>> > the
>>> > >>> >>language of Assam.
>>> > >>> >>In view of the above fact.Assam Sahitya Sabha may not be in
>>> error.
>>>
>> > > >>> >>Kamal
>>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy Hazarika <<mailto:
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If you do not know anything
>>> about
>>> > it,
>>> > >>> >>> an article written by H. Borgohain. I could not find the
>>> article,
>>> > >>> >>> otherwise I could have forwarded to you.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have that article please forward
>>> that
>>>
>> > to
>>
>>> > .
>>> > >>> Oxom
>>> > >>> >>> Xahityo Xobha
>>> > >>> >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha
>>> study
>>> > >>> >>> the Bodo language. There are other historical facts. Chandan
>>> and
>>> > >>> Rajen
>>> > >>> >>> can help.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> A. D. Hazarika
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta <<mailto:
>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>> From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >>> To: <mailto:info at axomxahityaxobha.org>
>>> info at axomxahityaxobha.org
>>> > >>> >>> Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05 PM
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya Sabha was formed as a
>>> > >>> >>> >guardian of the Assamese society and the forum for the
>>> > >>> >> > >development of Assamese language and literature.
>>> > >>> >>> >The word Assamese is an English one, built on the same
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> >principle as Cingalese, Canarese, etc. It is based on the
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>> >English word Assam by which the tract consisting of the
>>> > >>> >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> *** It is pretty sad that you don't know the origins of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >>> Assam, that you claim is an English name.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> It is such display of ignorance of our history and an absence
>>> of
>>> > >>> >>> intellectual curiosity to know what it truly is, that makes
>>> the
>>> > >>> likes
>>> > >>> >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant to our cultural heritage
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Sondon Mohonto
>>> > >>> >>>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world <assam at assamnet.org>
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I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with his
newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them laughter-evoking
buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
KJD
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:59:31 -0700
From: "Mahesh Baishya" <mbaishya at comcast.net>
Subject: [Assam] Web site
To: "assam" <assam at assamnet.org>
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Raiz,
If interested you can view my art at www.maheshb-art.com
Mahesh Baishya
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dilip and Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Web site
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world <assam at assamnet.org>
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Maheshda,
I enjoyed your sketches and paintings. They are beautiful. Thanks for
sharing.
Best wishes,
Dil
________________________________
From: Mahesh Baishya <mbaishya at comcast.net>
To: assam <assam at assamnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 5:59:31 PM
Subject: [Assam] Web site
Raiz,
If interested you can view my art at www.maheshb-art.com
Mahesh Baishya
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:12:39 -0500
From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <absarangapani at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Web site
To: <assam at assamnet.org>
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Wow!
They are just great, Mahesh-da.
Hope to see more of your paintings added to the site in the near future.
I've bookmarked the site. :)
Keep up the good work.
With best wishes,
-Alpana
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> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:59:31 -0700
> Subject: [Assam] Web site
>
> Raiz,
>
> If interested you can view my art at www.maheshb-art.com
>
> Mahesh Baishya
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:31:31 -0500
From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world <assam at assamnet.org>
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*** Wahid kokaideu does not have to go looking for Priyom Goswami or
Omolendu Guho for a confrontation. He has presented his findings. If
someone has a problem with it, they can very well
confront him, seek proof or rebut it or whatever.
At 3:03 PM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
>I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with his
>newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them laughter-evoking
>buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>KJD
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:35:43 -0500
From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Web site
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world <assam at assamnet.org>
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Great job Mahesh-da. Lovely samples.
c
At 3:59 PM -0700 3/15/09, Mahesh Baishya wrote:
>Raiz,
>
>If interested you can view my art at www.maheshb-art.com
>
>Mahesh Baishya
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:22:18 +0530 (IST)
From: uttam borthakur <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world <assam at assamnet.org>
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The word 'A S S A M' is in English. Therefore, it must be literally
'anglicised':-)
?The question is whether this was derived from similar sounding word which
was in existence or it was a figment of British imagination. We are more or
less agreed on that point that it was derived from some similar sounding
word that was in?circulation.
Now the question is whether its root was culturally?Non- Aryan or Aryan?
Another question is whether it was from the sanskrit based word 'OXOM'
justifying?the attempt (however frivolous)?of our land as ASOM.
As I understand it there is no unanimity on the entire?path followed in the
formation of this word to the English ASSAM.?
So there is no justification in calling it an anglicised version of a
particular sound/ word either.
There are materials to?indicate the possibility of the?adaptation to English
of this?sound/ word from a? pre-British, Mongoloid, non-Aryan words/ sounds
having the same or similar meaning.
The issue is still open. Pending resolution, if any,?let the status quo ante
remain.
?
Uttam Kumar Borthakur
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From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
<assam at assamnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 9:07:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
If I am not mistaken,the etymology of the word " Assam" is being discussed.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:20 AM, uttam borthakur <
uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Are we discussing the spelling of 'Assam' in English or how it is
> pronounced? ( Please note that being an Oxomiya I do not pronounce 'a' as
> the Brits and the Americans do. So, by 'how it is pronounced' I mean by
> peoples across the board)
> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <
> assam at assamnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 8:27:46 PM
>? Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>
> Who are " they"? If the certified authorities already know the truth, then
> why should the issue be 'mired in controvery'?That is the sole reason why
> we
> need a consensus.
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> wrote:
>
> >? The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
> >> before
> >> it can be taken as an established fact.
> >>
> >
> >
> > **** I don't know WHO? might? argue otherwise.? I suspect the
authorities
> > whose certification would be required to accept the authenticity of the
> > Dutch documents that Wahid Saleh showed us need some prodding to do the
> due
> > diligence.? But then again they may already know the truths they need to
> > know and would not stoop to examine something found by rank amateurs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 9:15 AM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
> >
> >>? I f the etymology of Assam " is mired in controversy",then why must we
> >> accept Assam ( mark you,not Asam/Acam/Asham )as the original name of
our
> >> state?By the way,hypothesis is one thing while ' undeniable fact '
> >> quite another.
> >> At no point of my writing did I suggest that the name Assam should not
> be
> >> accepted as the name of our state.That is not the moot point.
> >> If the " word Assam has not found incontrovertible origin",in what
sense
> >> would it be wrong to say that the very name called Assam could be an
> >> Anglicised one?
> >> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
> >> before
> >> it can be taken as an established fact.
> >> KJ Deka
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, uttam borthakur <
> >> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
> >>
> >>>? wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> >>? >>>>>>The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
> >>>? truth.The
> >>>? reference must be intact.
> >>>
> >>>? #######? 'I think' was to suggest that I do not have the copy of the
> >>>? newspaper that published Professor Jogen Phukan's photograph
> addressing
> >>> a
> >>>? huge rally of some sort on this isuue, nor do I have access to the TV
> >>>? footage reporting it. My memory of the news items therefore may not
be
> >>>? unwavering truth, but it can possibly be retrieved by resouceful
> >>> persons.
> >>>
> >>>? As the question of 'real historian' was tossed up, I thought I may
> make
> >>> an
> >>>? addition to the bibliography provided by Sri Rajen Barua and W.
Saleh.
> >>> But I
> >>>? should not have dared where angels fear to tread.
> >>>
> >>>? You are correct that? the word 'Assam' has not found an
> incontrovertible
> >>>? origin. So have many things in life. Like the origin of the human
> beings
> >>>? and/or life itself. But we do not teach or push it down some one's
> >>> throat
> >>>? that Adam and Eve started the whole process, though there are many
> >>> takers
> >>>? for such an idea. We all work on working hypothesis and probability
as
> >>>? adults.
> >>>
> >>>? Here, the origin of the word 'Assam' is still mired in controversy.
> Then
> >>>? there should not be any reason to say for sure that it is anglicised
> >>> version
> >>>? of Oxom or some other such words nor there should be any inchoate
> >>> attempts
> >>>? to rename the state Asom, as some quarters are trying to do.
> >>>
> >>>? Pending a final resolution, if any, let us accept ASSAM as a name by
> >>> which
> >>>? our land is known to the world, and OXOM is what we ourselves call
our
> >>> land
> >>>? as.
> >>>
> >>>? Uttam Kumar Borthakur
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>? ________________________________
> >>>? From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> >>>? To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> world
> >>> <
> >>>? assam at assamnet.org>
> >>>? Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 6:26:52 PM
> >>>? Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>
> >>>? The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
> >>> truth.The
> >>>? reference must be intact.Simply put,there is no consensus among
> >>>? academicians/historians in so far as this issue is concerned.
> >>>
> >>? > KJDeka
> >>
> >>>
> >>>? On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM, uttam borthakur <
> >>>? uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
> >>>? > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>? > I think a 'real historian' Dr. Jogen Phukan almost led an mass
> action
> >>>? > against the change of name to Asom for same or similar reasons.
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? > ________________________________
> >>>? > From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> >>>? > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> >>> world <
> >>>? > assam at assamnet.org>
> >>>? > Sent: Saturday, 14 March, 2009 7:45:49 PM
> >>>? >? Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>
> >>? > >
> >>
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
> >>>? proven
> >>>? > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
> >>>? historians,who
> >>>? > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte
> historians
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Dear Kamal Bhaity:
> >>>? > Thanks for your opinion on my article and stating your 'belief'.
> >>>? > My article was written not to change yours or anybody's 'belief',
> but
> >>> to
> >>>? > let people see the facts and to think rationally analysing the
> >>> available
> >>>? > facts of history. If one does that, one will normally come to the
> >>> obvious
> >>>? > conclusion that Assam is not a anglicized word. In your writing
also
> >>> you
> >>>? > have indicated that. However your problem in still sticking to your
> >>> old
> >>>? > belief that Assam is an anglicized word seems to be two:
> >>>? > 1) You are convinced about the rational argument that Assam, Asam
> >>>? (phonetic
> >>>? > pronunciation only) is a local word but that you are not yet 100%
> >>>? convinced
> >>>? > and that you still have some shadow of doubt.
> >>>? > 2) Your other problem is that you want to see some writing by some
> >>> "real"
> >>>? > historians and not to be convinced by writing of of some 'neophyte
> >>>? > historians" like us.? Here what you are saying is that you would
> have
> >>>? been
> >>>? > convinced of our arguments had we been "real" historians. I cannot
> >>> help
> >>>? you
> >>>? > there. But I take it as a compliment. Because what you are saying
is
> >>> that
> >>>? if
> >>>? > I would have a PhD degree in history you would have been convinced
> >>> beyond
> >>>? a
> >>>? > shadow of doubt that my arguments are correct and the name Assam or
> >>> Asam
> >>>? is
> >>>? > not an anglicized word. ( I think I qualify for your other
> >>> requirement. I
> >>>? > have spent decades now studying the history of Assam albeit not for
> >>> any
> >>>? > degree.)
> >>>? >
> >>>? > I can however help you to some extent by submitting the following.
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Hope you remember that in 2006, we (some neophyte historians) wrote
> a
> >>>? > Petition to the Chief Minister of Assam not to change the name of
> >>> Assam
> >>>? to
> >>>? > Asom. The main arguments of the Petition was that 'Assam' is not an
> >>>? > anglicized word but a word which was rooted in local culture. We
> sent
> >>> the
> >>>? > Petition to many historians, intellectuals and men of letters of
> Assam
> >>>? for
> >>>? > their support and signatures. To convince them of our argument, I
> >>>? personally
> >>>? > took the pain to discuss with many of them and sent them the
> earlier
> >>>? > version of my article. You will be happy to know all of them that
we
> >>> have
> >>>? > approcahed supported our arguments and signed the Petition. These
> >>> include
> >>>? > several Ex President of Axam Xahutya Xobha and many notable
> historians
> >>>? > including Dr Jogendra Nath Phukan and Dr Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia. It
> was
> >>>? also
> >>>? > supported by Dr Bhupen Hazarika, Dr Hiren Gohain and whose
signature
> >>> did
> >>>? not
> >>>? > appear in the Petition. I present this as their stamp of approval
of
> >>> my
> >>>? > arguments for
> >>>? >? your information since you are looking for support from "real"
> >>>? historians.
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Besides these, there are many "real" historians who have shown that
> >>>? 'Assam'
> >>>? > or 'Asam" is not a anglicised name. I have cited some in my
article.
> >>> You
> >>>? > will have read for yourself to see their writing.
> >>>? >
> >>>? > I post below the first fefteen signatories to the Petion (the fist
> >>> three
> >>>? > being the 'neophyte historians, in your words)
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Again, I am not trying to change your belief, but laying the facts
> for
> >>>? > rational thinking.
> >>>? >
> >>>? > The fist fifteen signatories of the Petition:
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? > 1)Rajen & Ajanta Barua, Katy, Texas, USA (Engineer, Writer &
> Manager)
> >>>? > 2)Chandan & Dr. Bonti Mahanta, St Louis, MO, USA (Architect &
> >>>
> >>? > Radiologist)
> >>
> >>>? > 3)Wahid Saleh, Berkel en Rodenrijs, The Netherlands. (Retired IT
> >>> Manager,
> >>>? > Community service)
> >>>? >
> >>>? > 4)Homen Borgohain, Guwahati, Assam, ((Ex President Axam Xahitya
> Xabha)
> >>>? > 5)Dr. Nagen Saikia , Guwahati, Assam (Ex President, Axam Xahitya
> >>> Xabha)
> >>>? > 6)Dr.Biren Dutta, Guwahati, Assam, (Ex President Axam Xahitya
Xabha)
> >>>? > 7)Dr. Lakhinandan Bora, Guwahati, Assam , (Ex President Axam
Xahitya
> >>>? Xabha)
> >>>? > 8)Dr. Mamoni Raisom Goswami, Guwahati/Delhi, (Gyanpith Award
Winner,
> >>>? > Novelist, Professor)
> >>>
> >>? > > 9)Nagen Baruah, Dibrugarh, Assam (President Ahom Xahitya Xabha)
> >>
> >>>? > 10)Dr. Jogendra Nath Phukan, Guwahati, Assam (Professor of History)
> >>>? > 11)Sanjoy Hazarika, Guwahati/Delhi, India (Journalist, Author,
> Social
> >>>? > Worker)
> >>>? > 12)Shantikam & Sangita Hazarika, Guwahati, (Founder Director of AIM
> &
> >>>? Dance
> >>>? > Teacher)
> >>>? > 13)Sumanta Chaliha, Guwahati, Assam, (Lexicographer, Author of
> >>> Assamese
> >>>? > Dictionaries)
> >>>? > 14)Dr. Amrit Kr. Baruah, Baltimore, Maryland, USA (Writer, Author,
> >>>? > Management Consultant)
> >>>? > 15)Dr. Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia, Chapel Hill, NC, USA (Professor of
> >>> History,
> >>>? > Author on Ahom Buronjis)
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Rajen & Ajanta Barua
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? > From: kamal deka
> >>>? > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:47 PM
> >>>? > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> >>> world
> >>>? > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
> >>>? proven
> >>>? > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
> >>>? historians,who
> >>>? > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte
> historians
> >>>? >
> >>>? > In various documents of British East India Company, in their
> >>>? relationships
> >>>? > with the last few Ahom kings, the name of country was mentioned as
> >>> Assam.
> >>>? > After the fall of the Ahom kingdom and the conquest by the British
> in
> >>>? 1826,
> >>>? > in the Treaty of Yandabo, "Assam" was used to denote the area under
> >>> the
> >>>? > erstwhile Ahoms, and its protectorates .
> >>>? >
> >>>? > *Theories on etymology*
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Though there exists a consensus on the fact that the name Assam is
> >>>? > associated with the Ahom kingdom, and the exact etymology of Assam
> is
> >>> not
> >>>? > clear.The ere are a number of theories that address this issue.
> >>>? >
> >>>? > *Ha-sam*
> >>>? >
> >>>? > According to Amalendu Guha "The Ahom domain of Upper Assam came to
> be
> >>>? known
> >>>? > to the Dimasa and other Bodo people as "Ha-Sam" (the land of the
> Shams
> >>> or
> >>>? > Shans) in etheir language. From this the terms 'Asam' and 'Ahom'
> were
> >>>? > derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for the
> >>> expanded
> >>>? > Ahom klngdom. Under the impact of the Indo-Aryan heritage of the
> >>> region,
> >>>? > the
> >>>? > concept of 'Asam' was further extended to cover the entire area
> >>> defined
> >>>? as
> >>>? > 'Kamarupa' in the Kalika-Purana (c 9th-10th centuries). The Ahom
> >>>? statesmen
> >>>? > and chroniclers wishfully looked forward to the Karatoya as their
> >>> natural
> >>>? > western frontier. They also looked upon themselves as the heirs of
> >>> that
> >>>? > glory that was ancient Kamarupa by right of conquest, and they long
> >>>? > cherished infructuously their unfulfilled hopes of expanding up to
> >>> that
> >>>? > frontier." [*The Ahom Political System: An Enquiry into the State
> >>>? Formation
> >>>? > Process in Medieval Assam (1228-1714), Amalendu Guha, Social
> >>> Scientist,
> >>>? > Vol.
> >>>? > 11, No. 12. (Dec., 1983), pp. 3-34.*]
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? >
> >>>? > Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>? >
> >>>? > > Forwarded from:? Fwd: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE]
> >>>? > >
> >>>? > >
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> >>>? > >>? ? ? ? 12 Mar 2009 05:50:24 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>? > >> To: FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
> >>>? > >> Cc: ASA ASA <AssamSociety at yahoogroups.com>,
> >>>? > >>? ? ? ? Assam in Bangalore <assam_in_bangalore at yahoogroups.com>
> >>>? > >> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.238
> >>>? > >> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0
> >>>? > >> From: Rajen Barua <rajen.barua at gmail.com>
> >>>? > >> X-Yahoo-Profile: baruarajen
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> >>>? > >> Mailing-List: list AssamSociety at yahoogroups.com; contact
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> >>> <http://assamsociety.yahoogroups.com/>
> >>>? <http://assamsociety.yahoogroups.com/>
> >>>? > <http://assamsociety.yahoogroups.com/>
> >>>? > >> >
> >>>? > >> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:
> AssamSociety-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
> >>> >
> >>>? > >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:50:23 -0500
> >>>? > >> Subject: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam]
About
> >>> the
> >>>? > Name
> >>>? > >> Assam
> >>>? > >> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-ff-m
> >>>? > >> Reply-To: AssamSociety at yahoogroups.com
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> Wahid:
> >>>? > >> Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name 'Asam' or
'Asham'
> >>> (for
> >>>? > the
> >>>? > >> name of the land) was much older than? whcih came to be used for
> >>> the
> >>>? > name of
> >>>? > >> the land only in the 17th century. Originally, the word? was
used
> >>> in
> >>>? the
> >>>? > >> Kirton by Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in the 15th
> >>> century.
> >>>? > >> According to me, this word? (for the people) as used by
> Xongkordeu,
> >>>? was
> >>>? > >> originally derived from the word Asahm (for the people written
in
> >>>? > Devanagari
> >>>? > >> and Urdu skript) by the Moghols. This word? later was used for
> the
> >>>? land
> >>>? > >> (instead of the people), and a new word Ahom was used for the
> >>> people.
> >>>? > Thus
> >>>? > >> Ahom is also a new word, which is not to found in Ti Ahom
> Buronjis.
> >>>? > Please
> >>>? > >> note that the word Asham was originally used for the people and
> was
> >>>? > later
> >>>? > >> changed to mean the land instead of the people when the Moghols
> >>> used
> >>>? the
> >>>? > >> name in correspondence.
> >>>? > >> Thanks
> >>>? > >> Rajen
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM) <<mailto:
> >>>? > >> wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> Rajen,
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> Thanks for sharing your article " "In your article you mentioned
> >>> about
> >>>? > >> Glanius.
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> Till now almost all the historians thought that Glanius went to
> >>> Assam.
> >>>? > But
> >>>? > >> it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a Dutch sailor
named
> >>>? Frans
> >>>? > van
> >>>? > >> der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju Mala. He kept
> a
> >>>? diary
> >>>? > >> which was first published in 1675. It is very difficult to find
> out
> >>>? who
> >>>? > >> Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch including the
> >>> diary
> >>>? of
> >>>? > >> Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was published in
> 1682
> >>>? > (from
> >>>? > >> UK). In his translation he used first person and nowhere
> mentioned
> >>> or
> >>>? > >> referred to the name of the original author Frans van de Heiden.
> As
> >>>? most
> >>>? > of
> >>>? > >> the historians had access to the English translation only, they
> >>> took
> >>>? it
> >>>? > for
> >>>? > >> granted that Glanius went to Assam. I tried to find out about
> >>> Glanius
> >>>? > and
> >>>? > >> published an article. Here you will get some back ground
> >>> information.
> >>>? A
> >>>? > >> mistake did slip in to this version of the article. I misspelt
> the
> >>>? name
> >>>? > of
> >>>? > >> Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
> >>>
> >>? > > >>
> >>
> >>>? > >> It is certain that the name Assam existed before Mirju Mala
> invaded
> >>>? > Assam
> >>>? > >> and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise Frans van der
> >>> Heiden
> >>>? > would
> >>>? > >> not be in a position to write about Assam and Assmers. Different
> >>>? Mughal
> >>>? > >> historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham, Acham and ?s?m
in
> >>>? their
> >>>? > >> writings." Asom" with an "o" in between was unknown to them. In
> >>>? > particular,
> >>>? > >> the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the following
> publications:
> >>>
> >>? > Abul
> >>
> >>>? > >> Fazal All?mi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a biographical
> >>> account
> >>>? of
> >>>? > >> Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of Asham".
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden wrote his diary
> in
> >>>? > 1662.
> >>>? > >> To write about the place and its inhabitants he used the name of
> >>> the
> >>>? > State
> >>>? > >> as it was known at that time to the local people. Otherwise he
> >>> would
> >>>? not
> >>>? > >> have used the name.
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> So we should start asking the question when was the name of
Assam
> >>>? > changed
> >>>? > >> to ? In any case it is after 1662.
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> Wahid
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> Van: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
> >>>? > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com [mailto:<mailto:
> >>>? > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com]
> >>>? > Namens
> >>>? > >> Rajen Barua
> >>>? > >> Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
> >>>? > >> Aan: assamnet
> >>>? > >> CC: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
> >>>? > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
> >>>? > >> Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> Friends
> >>>? > >> Looks like many people still think that Assam is an englished
> word
> >>> of
> >>>? > the
> >>>? > >> word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days written as
> >>> Assam)
> >>>? is
> >>>? > much
> >>>? > >> older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later origin. One
> may
> >>>? read
> >>>? > my
> >>>? > >> article attached.
> >>>? > >> Rajen Barua
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>? Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
> >>>? > >>>? To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
> >>>? > >>>? Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>? > whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as
now
> >>>? > >>>? >called the land "Oxom",
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>? *** You do?
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>? So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>? Did you know that the Ahom people, by and large, cannot
> pronounce
> >>>? the
> >>>? > >>>? 'xo' sound and pronounce it as 'ho' or 'kho'?
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
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***********************************
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>? At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
> >>>? > >>>? >".......an invention of an European, and thus not credible?"
-
> I
> >>> am
> >>>? > >>>? >not suggesting that at all. I am not Europhobic. :-)
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >Let's take the British days - the maps and the official
> records
> >>>? > >>>? >meticulously prepared during that time called "Oxom" as
> "Assam"
> >>>? > >>>? >whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
> >>>? called
> >>>? > >>>? >the land "Oxom", the big difference being the sound of "x"
> >>> versus
> >>>? > >>>? >"s". What credibility would you give to the authenticity of
> the
> >>>? name
> >>>? > >>>? >"Assam" used by the British?
> >>>? > >>>? >In the same token, why would I accept "Asam" as written by a
> >>> Dutch
> >>>? > >>>? >in 17th century as an authentic name? The Dutch, just like
the
> >>>? > >>>? >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
> >>>? > >>>? >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch map as the original name,
> when
> >>> did
> >>>? > >>>? >it change to today's "Oxom" and who changed it?
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >I still say "Assam" is anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized.
> >>> Boy!
> >>>? > >>>? >that sounds too much like Hollandaise sauce.
> >>>? > >>>? >I am surprised there was no comment on the rest of my email.
> >>>? > >>>? >Dilip
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>? > cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>? > >>>? >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>? > > >>>? >world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>;
> >> <mailto:
> >>
> >>>? > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
> >>>? > >>>? >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
> >>>? > >>>? >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >> But I wouldn't use these books nor a book written in
another
> >>>? > >>>? >>European language (Dutch) to prove that >Assam is an
> indigenous
> >>>? > word.
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch traveller who prepared
> the
> >>> map
> >>>
> >>? > > >>> where
> >>
> >>>? > >>>? >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was likely an invention of an
> >>> European,
> >>>? > >>>? >and thus not credible?
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
> >>>? > >>>? >>Kamal,
> >>>? > >>>? >>In today's parlance, you are absolutely correct. The local
> >>> people
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>? > >>call the land "Oxom" and, themselves "Oxomiya". When those
> >>> words
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>are written as "Assam" and "Assamese", it is an attempt to
> >>>? anglicize
> >>>? > >>>? >>the locally used words.
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>Now whether Oxom was derived from another word that was
local
> >>> to
> >>>? the
> >>>? > >>>? >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is another issue.
> >>>? > >>>? >>As we all know the region (at least the western part) was
> >>> called
> >>>? > >>>? >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the name Kamrupa to
change
> >>> to
> >>>? > >>>? >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There is no resemblance
> between
> >>> the
> >>>? > >>>? >>two words. So the natural assumption would be that the
> >>>? > >>>? >>transformation to Oxom did not happen with the so called
> Hindu
> >>>? > >>>? >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is more likely it
> happened
> >>>? with
> >>>? > >>>? > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms, who for the first
time
> >>> in a
> >>>? > >>>? >>long time brought the people of the region under one rule
> >>> through
> >>>? > >>>? >>political acumen.
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>I have in my possession books written/compiled by British
> >>> officers
> >>>? > >>>? >>where the word Assam is used. But I wouldn't use these books
> >>> nor a
> >>>? > >>>? >>book written in another European language (Dutch) to prove
> that
> >>>? > >>>? >>Assam is an indigenous word. There needs to be more research
> >>> done
> >>>? by
> >>>? > >>>? >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the Buranjis of the Ahoms and
> >>> whatever
> >>>? > >>>? >>remains of the Ahom language.
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many Buranjis were burnt
> >>> during
> >>>? > >>>? >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am also told many Buranjis
> are
> >>>? > >>>? >>still available in the Ahom villages kept as family
heirloom.
> >>> Does
> >>>? > >>>? >>anyone know how to read and decipher these tomes?
> >>>? > >>>? >>Isn't there a scholar in all of Assam who could trace
through
> >>> the
> >>>? > >>>? >>transformation of Ahom language from 1228 to the British
days
> >>>? > >>>? >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by the Ahoms to describe
> >>> their
> >>>? > >>> kingdom?
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask how the Shans from
Burma
> >>>? > >>>? >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when it happened.
> >>>? > >>>? >>If all of this is known to some netter, please publish it,
so
> >>> that
> >>>? > >>>? > >some of us not exposed to recent findings in Assam can
learn
> >>> and
> >>>? > >>>? >>stop arguing over a name.
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>Dilip Deka
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >>From: kamal deka <<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> >>> kjit.deka at gmail.com
> >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >>To: <mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; A
> >>> Mailing
> >>>? > list
> >>>? > >>> for people interested in
> >>>? > >>>? >>Assam from around the world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>> assam at assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>>? >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39 AM
> >>>? > >>>? >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>In my humble view,the very word " Assam" is an Anglicised
> >>> one.As
> >>>? an
> >>>? > >>>? >>adjective," Assamese " pertains to the characteristic of the
> >>>? people
> >>>? > of
> >>>? > >>>? >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it means the native of
> Assam
> >>> or
> >>>? > the
> >>>? > >>>? >>language of Assam.
> >>>? > >>>? >>In view of the above fact.Assam Sahitya Sabha may not be in
> >>> error.
> >>>
> >>? > > >>>? >>Kamal
> >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy Hazarika <<mailto:
> >>>? > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>? > >>>? >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If you do not know anything
> >>> about
> >>>? > it,
> >>>? > >>>? >>> an article written by H. Borgohain. I could not find the
> >>>? article,
> >>>? > >>>? >>> otherwise I could have forwarded to you.
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have that article please forward
> >>> that
> >>>
> >>? > to
> >>
> >>>? > .
> >>>? > >>> Oxom
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Xahityo Xobha
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also help if Oxom Xahityo
Xobha
> >>>? study
> >>>? > >>>? >>> the Bodo language. There are other historical facts.
> Chandan
> >>> and
> >>>? > >>> Rajen
> >>>? > >>>? >>> can help.
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> A. D. Hazarika
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta <<mailto:
> >>> cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>? > >>> cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>? > >>>? >>> From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>? > >>> cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>? > >>>? >>> To: <mailto:info at axomxahityaxobha.org>
> >>> info at axomxahityaxobha.org
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05 PM
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya Sabha was formed as a
> >>>? > >>>? >>> >guardian of the Assamese society and the forum for the
> >>>? > >>>? >> > >development of Assamese language and literature.
> >>>? > >>>? >>> >The word Assamese is an English one, built on the same
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>? > >>> >principle as Cingalese, Canarese, etc. It is based on
the
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> >English word Assam by which the tract consisting of the
> >>>? > >>>? >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> *** It is pretty sad that you don't know the origins of
the
> >>> name
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Assam, that you claim is an English name.
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> It is such display of ignorance of our history and an
> absence
> >>> of
> >>>? > >>>? >>> intellectual curiosity to know what it truly is, that
makes
> >>> the
> >>>? > >>> likes
> >>>? > >>>? >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant to our cultural heritage
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> Sondon Mohonto
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> USA
> >>>? > >>>? >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >>> assam mailing list
> >>>? > >>>? >>> <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >>> <http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >>> assam mailing list
> >>>? > >>>? >>> <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >>> <http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >>>
> >>>? > >>>? >>_______________________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >>assam mailing list
> >>>? > >>>? >><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >><http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet..org>
> >>>? > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet..org
> >>>? > >>>? >>_______________________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >>assam mailing list
> >>>? > >>>? >><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >><http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >
> >>>? > >>>? >_______________________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >assam mailing list
> >>>? > >>>? ><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? ><http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? >_______________________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? >assam mailing list
> >>>? > >>>? ><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>? ><http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >>>
> >>? > > >>>
> >>
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>>? _______________________________________________
> >>>? > >>>? assam mailing list
> >>>? > >>>? <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>> <http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org>
> >>>? > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >>>? > >>>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> --
> >>>? > >> Rajen Barua, Houston
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? > >> __._,_.___
> >>>? > >> <
> >>>? > >>
> >>>? >
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:06:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world <assam at assamnet.org>
Message-ID: <570070.66710.qm at web59607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
If Assam and Asom are not good enough then why not Brahmaputraland or
something based on geography --like Iceland ,Greenland, Death Valley (in
USA), Gondwanaland (all world in dino era - based on Gondwana in Orissa,
India
Umesh Sharma
Washington D.C.
1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005
http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)
www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used )
http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/
http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/
--- On Sun, 15/3/09, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world"
<assam at assamnet.org>
Date: Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 10:57 AM
Who are " they"? If the certified authorities already know the truth,
then
why should the issue be 'mired in controvery'?That is the sole reason
why we
need a consensus.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
wrote:
> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to
scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>>
>
>
> **** I don't know WHO might argue otherwise. I suspect the
authorities
> whose certification would be required to accept the authenticity of the
> Dutch documents that Wahid Saleh showed us need some prodding to do the
due
> diligence. But then again they may already know the truths they need to
> know and would not stoop to examine something found by rank amateurs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 9:15 AM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> I f the etymology of Assam " is mired in controversy",then
why must we
>> accept Assam ( mark you,not Asam/Acam/Asham )as the original name of
our
>> state?By the way,hypothesis is one thing while ' undeniable fact
'
>> quite another.
>> At no point of my writing did I suggest that the name Assam should not
be
>> accepted as the name of our state.That is not the moot point.
>> If the " word Assam has not found incontrovertible
origin",in what sense
>> would it be wrong to say that the very name called Assam could be an
>> Anglicised one?
>> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to
scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>> KJ Deka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, uttam borthakur <
>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>The statement like " I think"
can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.
>>>
>>> ####### 'I think' was to suggest that I do not have the
copy of the
>>> newspaper that published Professor Jogen Phukan's photograph
addressing
>>> a
>>> huge rally of some sort on this isuue, nor do I have access to
the TV
>>> footage reporting it. My memory of the news items therefore may
not be
>>> unwavering truth, but it can possibly be retrieved by resouceful
>>> persons.
>>>
>>> As the question of 'real historian' was tossed up, I
thought I may make
>>> an
>>> addition to the bibliography provided by Sri Rajen Barua and W.
Saleh.
>>> But I
>>> should not have dared where angels fear to tread.
>>>
>>> You are correct that the word 'Assam' has not found an
incontrovertible
>>> origin. So have many things in life. Like the origin of the human
beings
>>> and/or life itself. But we do not teach or push it down some
one's
>>> throat
>>> that Adam and Eve started the whole process, though there are
many
>>> takers
>>> for such an idea. We all work on working hypothesis and
probability as
>>> adults.
>>>
>>> Here, the origin of the word 'Assam' is still mired in
controversy. Then
>>> there should not be any reason to say for sure that it is
anglicised
>>> version
>>> of Oxom or some other such words nor there should be any inchoate
>>> attempts
>>> to rename the state Asom, as some quarters are trying to do.
>>>
>>> Pending a final resolution, if any, let us accept ASSAM as a name
by
>>> which
>>> our land is known to the world, and OXOM is what we ourselves
call our
>>> land
>>> as.
>>>
>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world
>>> <
>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 6:26:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>>> The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as
an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.Simply put,there is no consensus among
>>> academicians/historians in so far as this issue is concerned.
>>>
>> > KJDeka
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM, uttam borthakur <
>>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think a 'real historian' Dr. Jogen Phukan almost
led an mass action
>>> > against the change of name to Asom for same or similar
reasons.
>>> >
>>> > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from
around the
>>> world <
>>> > assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, 14 March, 2009 7:45:49 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>> > >
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was
Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by
neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > Dear Kamal Bhaity:
>>> > Thanks for your opinion on my article and stating your
'belief'.
>>> > My article was written not to change yours or anybody's
'belief', but
>>> to
>>> > let people see the facts and to think rationally analysing
the
>>> available
>>> > facts of history. If one does that, one will normally come
to the
>>> obvious
>>> > conclusion that Assam is not a anglicized word. In your
writing also
>>> you
>>> > have indicated that. However your problem in still sticking
to your
>>> old
>>> > belief that Assam is an anglicized word seems to be two:
>>> > 1) You are convinced about the rational argument that Assam,
Asam
>>> (phonetic
>>> > pronunciation only) is a local word but that you are not yet
100%
>>> convinced
>>> > and that you still have some shadow of doubt.
>>> > 2) Your other problem is that you want to see some writing
by some
>>> "real"
>>> > historians and not to be convinced by writing of of some
'neophyte
>>> > historians" like us. Here what you are saying is that
you would have
>>> been
>>> > convinced of our arguments had we been "real"
historians. I cannot
>>> help
>>> you
>>> > there. But I take it as a compliment. Because what you are
saying is
>>> that
>>> if
>>> > I would have a PhD degree in history you would have been
convinced
>>> beyond
>>> a
>>> > shadow of doubt that my arguments are correct and the name
Assam or
>>> Asam
>>> is
>>> > not an anglicized word. ( I think I qualify for your other
>>> requirement. I
>>> > have spent decades now studying the history of Assam albeit
not for
>>> any
>>> > degree.)
>>> >
>>> > I can however help you to some extent by submitting the
following.
>>> >
>>> > Hope you remember that in 2006, we (some neophyte
historians) wrote a
>>> > Petition to the Chief Minister of Assam not to change the
name of
>>> Assam
>>> to
>>> > Asom. The main arguments of the Petition was that
'Assam' is not an
>>> > anglicized word but a word which was rooted in local
culture. We sent
>>> the
>>> > Petition to many historians, intellectuals and men of
letters of Assam
>>> for
>>> > their support and signatures. To convince them of our
argument, I
>>> personally
>>> > took the pain to discuss with many of them and sent them the
earlier
>>> > version of my article. You will be happy to know all of them
that we
>>> have
>>> > approcahed supported our arguments and signed the Petition.
These
>>> include
>>> > several Ex President of Axam Xahutya Xobha and many notable
historians
>>> > including Dr Jogendra Nath Phukan and Dr Sayeeda Yasmin
Saikia. It was
>>> also
>>> > supported by Dr Bhupen Hazarika, Dr Hiren Gohain and whose
signature
>>> did
>>> not
>>> > appear in the Petition. I present this as their stamp of
approval of
>>> my
>>> > arguments for
>>> > your information since you are looking for support from
"real"
>>> historians.
>>> >
>>> > Besides these, there are many "real" historians
who have shown that
>>> 'Assam'
>>> > or 'Asam" is not a anglicised name. I have cited
some in my article.
>>> You
>>> > will have read for yourself to see their writing.
>>> >
>>> > I post below the first fefteen signatories to the Petion
(the fist
>>> three
>>> > being the 'neophyte historians, in your words)
>>> >
>>> > Again, I am not trying to change your belief, but laying the
facts for
>>> > rational thinking.
>>> >
>>> > The fist fifteen signatories of the Petition:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1)Rajen & Ajanta Barua, Katy, Texas, USA (Engineer,
Writer & Manager)
>>> > 2)Chandan & Dr. Bonti Mahanta, St Louis, MO, USA
(Architect &
>>>
>> > Radiologist)
>>
>>> > 3)Wahid Saleh, Berkel en Rodenrijs, The Netherlands.
(Retired IT
>>> Manager,
>>> > Community service)
>>> >
>>> > 4)Homen Borgohain, Guwahati, Assam, ((Ex President Axam
Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 5)Dr. Nagen Saikia , Guwahati, Assam (Ex President, Axam
Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 6)Dr.Biren Dutta, Guwahati, Assam, (Ex President Axam
Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 7)Dr. Lakhinandan Bora, Guwahati, Assam , (Ex President Axam
Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 8)Dr. Mamoni Raisom Goswami, Guwahati/Delhi, (Gyanpith Award
Winner,
>>> > Novelist, Professor)
>>>
>> > > 9)Nagen Baruah, Dibrugarh, Assam (President Ahom Xahitya
Xabha)
>>
>>> > 10)Dr. Jogendra Nath Phukan, Guwahati, Assam (Professor of
History)
>>> > 11)Sanjoy Hazarika, Guwahati/Delhi, India (Journalist,
Author, Social
>>> > Worker)
>>> > 12)Shantikam & Sangita Hazarika, Guwahati, (Founder
Director of AIM &
>>> Dance
>>> > Teacher)
>>> > 13)Sumanta Chaliha, Guwahati, Assam, (Lexicographer, Author
of
>>> Assamese
>>> > Dictionaries)
>>> > 14)Dr. Amrit Kr. Baruah, Baltimore, Maryland, USA (Writer,
Author,
>>> > Management Consultant)
>>> > 15)Dr. Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia, Chapel Hill, NC, USA
(Professor of
>>> History,
>>> > Author on Ahom Buronjis)
>>> >
>>> > Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: kamal deka
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:47 PM
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from
around the
>>> world
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was
Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by
neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > In various documents of British East India Company, in their
>>> relationships
>>> > with the last few Ahom kings, the name of country was
mentioned as
>>> Assam.
>>> > After the fall of the Ahom kingdom and the conquest by the
British in
>>> 1826,
>>> > in the Treaty of Yandabo, "Assam" was used to
denote the area under
>>> the
>>> > erstwhile Ahoms, and its protectorates .
>>> >
>>> > *Theories on etymology*
>>> >
>>> > Though there exists a consensus on the fact that the name
Assam is
>>> > associated with the Ahom kingdom, and the exact etymology of
Assam is
>>> not
>>> > clear.The ere are a number of theories that address this
issue.
>>> >
>>> > *Ha-sam*
>>> >
>>> > According to Amalendu Guha "The Ahom domain of Upper
Assam came to be
>>> known
>>> > to the Dimasa and other Bodo people as "Ha-Sam"
(the land of the Shams
>>> or
>>> > Shans) in etheir language. From this the terms
'Asam' and 'Ahom' were
>>> > derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for
the
>>> expanded
>>> > Ahom klngdom. Under the impact of the Indo-Aryan heritage of
the
>>> region,
>>> > the
>>> > concept of 'Asam' was further extended to cover the
entire area
>>> defined
>>> as
>>> > 'Kamarupa' in the Kalika-Purana (c 9th-10th
centuries). The Ahom
>>> statesmen
>>> > and chroniclers wishfully looked forward to the Karatoya as
their
>>> natural
>>> > western frontier. They also looked upon themselves as the
heirs of
>>> that
>>> > glory that was ancient Kamarupa by right of conquest, and
they long
>>> > cherished infructuously their unfulfilled hopes of expanding
up to
>>> that
>>> > frontier." [*The Ahom Political System: An Enquiry into
the State
>>> Formation
>>> > Process in Medieval Assam (1228-1714), Amalendu Guha, Social
>>> Scientist,
>>> > Vol.
>>> > 11, No. 12. (Dec., 1983), pp. 3-34.*]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Forwarded from: Fwd: [Assam Society] Re:
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>>> > >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:50:23 -0500
>>> > >> Subject: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE:
[Assam] About
>>> the
>>> > Name
>>> > >> Assam
>>> > >> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-ff-m
>>> > >> Reply-To: AssamSociety at yahoogroups.com
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid:
>>> > >> Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name
'Asam' or 'Asham'
>>> (for
>>> > the
>>> > >> name of the land) was much older than whcih came
to be used for
>>> the
>>> > name of
>>> > >> the land only in the 17th century. Originally, the
word was used
>>> in
>>> the
>>> > >> Kirton by Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in
the 15th
>>> century.
>>> > >> According to me, this word (for the people) as
used by Xongkordeu,
>>> was
>>> > >> originally derived from the word Asahm (for the
people written in
>>> > Devanagari
>>> > >> and Urdu skript) by the Moghols. This word later
was used for the
>>> land
>>> > >> (instead of the people), and a new word Ahom was
used for the
>>> people.
>>> > Thus
>>> > >> Ahom is also a new word, which is not to found in
Ti Ahom Buronjis.
>>> > Please
>>> > >> note that the word Asham was originally used for
the people and was
>>> > later
>>> > >> changed to mean the land instead of the people when
the Moghols
>>> used
>>> the
>>> > >> name in correspondence.
>>> > >> Thanks
>>> > >> Rajen
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM)
<<mailto:
>>> > >> wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rajen,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks for sharing your article " "In
your article you mentioned
>>> about
>>> > >> Glanius.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Till now almost all the historians thought that
Glanius went to
>>> Assam.
>>> > But
>>> > >> it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a
Dutch sailor named
>>> Frans
>>> > van
>>> > >> der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju
Mala. He kept a
>>> diary
>>> > >> which was first published in 1675. It is very
difficult to find out
>>> who
>>> > >> Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch
including the
>>> diary
>>> of
>>> > >> Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was
published in 1682
>>> > (from
>>> > >> UK). In his translation he used first person and
nowhere mentioned
>>> or
>>> > >> referred to the name of the original author Frans
van de Heiden. As
>>> most
>>> > of
>>> > >> the historians had access to the English
translation only, they
>>> took
>>> it
>>> > for
>>> > >> granted that Glanius went to Assam. I tried to find
out about
>>> Glanius
>>> > and
>>> > >> published an article. Here you will get some back
ground
>>> information.
>>> A
>>> > >> mistake did slip in to this version of the article.
I misspelt the
>>> name
>>> > of
>>> > >> Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
>>>
>> > > >>
>>
>>> > >> It is certain that the name Assam existed before
Mirju Mala invaded
>>> > Assam
>>> > >> and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise
Frans van der
>>> Heiden
>>> > would
>>> > >> not be in a position to write about Assam and
Assmers. Different
>>> Mughal
>>> > >> historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham,
Acham and ?s?m in
>>> their
>>> > >> writings." Asom" with an "o" in
between was unknown to them. In
>>> > particular,
>>> > >> the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the
following publications:
>>>
>> > Abul
>>
>>> > >> Fazal All?mi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a
biographical
>>> account
>>> of
>>> > >> Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of
Asham".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden
wrote his diary in
>>> > 1662.
>>> > >> To write about the place and its inhabitants he
used the name of
>>> the
>>> > State
>>> > >> as it was known at that time to the local people.
Otherwise he
>>> would
>>> not
>>> > >> have used the name.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So we should start asking the question when was the
name of Assam
>>> > changed
>>> > >> to ? In any case it is after 1662.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Van:
<mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:<mailto:
>>> > >>
FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com]
>>> > Namens
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >> Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
>>> > >> Aan: assamnet
>>> > >> CC: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
>>> > >> Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the
Name Assam
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Friends
>>> > >> Looks like many people still think that Assam is an
englished word
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > >> word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days
written as
>>> Assam)
>>> is
>>> > much
>>> > >> older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later
origin. One may
>>> read
>>> > my
>>> > >> article attached.
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
>>> > >>> To:
<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> From:
<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > whereas we know for sure the local people
at that time as now
>>> > >>> >called the land "Oxom",
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> *** You do?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Did you know that the Ahom people, by and
large, cannot pronounce
>>> the
>>> > >>> 'xo' sound and pronounce it as
'ho' or 'kho'?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
****************************************************************************
***********************************
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka
wrote:
>>> > >>> >".......an invention of an European,
and thus not credible?" - I
>>> am
>>> > >>> >not suggesting that at all. I am not
Europhobic. :-)
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >Let's take the British days - the maps
and the official records
>>> > >>> >meticulously prepared during that time
called "Oxom" as "Assam"
>>> > >>> >whereas we know for sure the local people
at that time as now
>>> called
>>> > >>> >the land "Oxom", the big
difference being the sound of "x"
>>> versus
>>> > >>> >"s". What credibility would you
give to the authenticity of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >"Assam" used by the British?
>>> > >>> >In the same token, why would I accept
"Asam" as written by a
>>> Dutch
>>> > >>> >in 17th century as an authentic name? The
Dutch, just like the
>>> > >>> >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
>>> > >>> >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch
map as the original name, when
>>> did
>>> > >>> >it change to today's "Oxom"
and who changed it?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >I still say "Assam" is
anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized.
>>> Boy!
>>> > >>> >that sounds too much like Hollandaise
sauce.
>>> > >>> >I am surprised there was no comment on the
rest of my email.
>>> > >>> >Dilip
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >________________________________
>>> > >>> >From: Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested
in Assam from around
>>> the
>>>
>> > > >>> >world
<<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>;
>> <mailto:
>>
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
>>> > >>> >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
>>> > >>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >> But I wouldn't use these books
nor a book written in another
>>> > >>> >>European language (Dutch) to prove
that >Assam is an indigenous
>>> > word.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch
traveller who prepared the
>>> map
>>>
>> > > >>> where
>>
>>> > >>> >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was
likely an invention of an
>>> European,
>>> > >>> >and thus not credible?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil
Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >>Kamal,
>>> > >>> >>In today's parlance, you are
absolutely correct. The local
>>> people
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>call the land "Oxom" and,
themselves "Oxomiya". When those
>>> words
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>are written as "Assam" and
"Assamese", it is an attempt to
>>> anglicize
>>> > >>> >>the locally used words.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Now whether Oxom was derived from
another word that was local
>>> to
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is
another issue.
>>> > >>> >>As we all know the region (at least
the western part) was
>>> called
>>> > >>> >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the
name Kamrupa to change
>>> to
>>> > >>> >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There
is no resemblance between
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>two words. So the natural assumption
would be that the
>>> > >>> >>transformation to Oxom did not happen
with the so called Hindu
>>> > >>> >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is
more likely it happened
>>> with
>>> > >>> > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms,
who for the first time
>>> in a
>>> > >>> >>long time brought the people of the
region under one rule
>>> through
>>> > >>> >>political acumen.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I have in my possession books
written/compiled by British
>>> officers
>>> > >>> >>where the word Assam is used. But I
wouldn't use these books
>>> nor a
>>> > >>> >>book written in another European
language (Dutch) to prove that
>>> > >>> >>Assam is an indigenous word. There
needs to be more research
>>> done
>>> by
>>> > >>> >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the
Buranjis of the Ahoms and
>>> whatever
>>> > >>> >>remains of the Ahom language.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many
Buranjis were burnt
>>> during
>>> > >>> >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am
also told many Buranjis are
>>> > >>> >>still available in the Ahom villages
kept as family heirloom.
>>> Does
>>> > >>> >>anyone know how to read and decipher
these tomes?
>>> > >>> >>Isn't there a scholar in all of
Assam who could trace through
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>transformation of Ahom language from
1228 to the British days
>>> > >>> >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by
the Ahoms to describe
>>> their
>>> > >>> kingdom?
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask
how the Shans from Burma
>>> > >>> >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when
it happened.
>>> > >>> >>If all of this is known to some
netter, please publish it, so
>>> that
>>> > >>> > >some of us not exposed to recent
findings in Assam can learn
>>> and
>>> > >>> >>stop arguing over a name.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Dilip Deka
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>________________________________
>>> > >>> >>From: kamal deka
<<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > >>> >>To:
<mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; A
>>> Mailing
>>> > list
>>> > >>> for people interested in
>>> > >>> >>Assam from around the world
<<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39
AM
>>> > >>> >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name
Assam
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>In my humble view,the very word "
Assam" is an Anglicised
>>> one.As
>>> an
>>> > >>> >>adjective," Assamese "
pertains to the characteristic of the
>>> people
>>> > of
>>> > >>> >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it
means the native of Assam
>>> or
>>> > the
>>> > >>> >>language of Assam.
>>> > >>> >>In view of the above fact.Assam
Sahitya Sabha may not be in
>>> error.
>>>
>> > > >>> >>Kamal
>>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy
Hazarika <<mailto:
>>> > >>>
adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If
you do not know anything
>>> about
>>> > it,
>>> > >>> >>> an article written by H.
Borgohain. I could not find the
>>> article,
>>> > >>> >>> otherwise I could have forwarded
to you.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have
that article please forward
>>> that
>>>
>> > to
>>
>>> > .
>>> > >>> Oxom
>>> > >>> >>> Xahityo Xobha
>>> > >>> >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also
help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha
>>> study
>>> > >>> >>> the Bodo language. There are
other historical facts. Chandan
>>> and
>>> > >>> Rajen
>>> > >>> >>> can help.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> A. D. Hazarika
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:
>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>> From: Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name
Assam
>>> > >>> >>> To:
<mailto:info at axomxahityaxobha.org>
>>> info at axomxahityaxobha.org
>>> > >>> >>> Cc:
<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05
PM
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya
Sabha was formed as a
>>> > >>> >>> >guardian of the Assamese
society and the forum for the
>>> > >>> >> > >development of Assamese
language and literature.
>>> > >>> >>> >The word Assamese is an
English one, built on the same
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> >principle as Cingalese,
Canarese, etc. It is based on the
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>> >English word Assam by which
the tract consisting of the
>>> > >>> >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> *** It is pretty sad that you
don't know the origins of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >>> Assam, that you claim is an
English name.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> It is such display of ignorance
of our history and an absence
>>> of
>>> > >>> >>> intellectual curiosity to know
what it truly is, that makes
>>> the
>>> > >>> likes
>>> > >>> >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant
to our cultural heritage
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Sondon Mohonto
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> USA
>>> > >>> >>>
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>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:40:51 +0530 (IST)
From: uttam borthakur <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world <assam at assamnet.org>
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Rajen Da,
In another mail, I've already?expressed similar sentiments on the basis of
similar reasons. But my reasons are in general terms for the obvious reason
that I have not studied the etymological development as you or Saleh Da have
done. I asked the?question that you are answering now?was for the reason
that?I found that the real reason for the debate got mixed up somewhere.
?
Uttam Kumar Borthakur
________________________________
From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
<assam at assamnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 11:28:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
Uttam
We are primarily discussing the spelling of the word ASSAM. But it is
invariably connected to its pronunciation. We are making two statements
here.
In my article, I am showing that the pronunciation of the name
ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASHYAM/ASSAM (We are not debating how A is pronounced by
different, but basically same S pronunciation) was the earlier name of the
state which was there since the advent of the Ti-Ahoms to Assam. It was the
pronunciation used by the Assamese people also (till 18th century) as well
as the outsiders till now.
The popular local and dear OXOM pronunciation came later.( sometimes in the
18th century only according to me. The exact date is open for debate
however)
Thus according to me, the British did not invent the pronunciation
ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASSAM because it was already there when the British came.
That pronunciation was already being used by the Moghols and other Europeans
when the British came to the scene. At that time however, local Assamese
switched to the pronunciation OXOM. But all non khar-khowas were calling our
land by the? pronunciation ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASSAM .
Now what Wahid Salleh has shown, with documentary proof, that even the
spelling ASSAM was not coined by the British because the Dutch used that
spelling long before the British.
Either way, the word ASSAM is not an anglicised word but a word very much
rooted in Assamese culture since 13th century.
If someone wants to show that word ASSAM is an anglicised word from the
Assamese word OXOM, they need to show some proof and historical document.
Otherwise it is a popular myth among the Assamese.
We are saying that both the words OXOM and ASSAM are hare-himojuwe Assamese
words,? and let us keep these that way.
Many countries have two names, not to speak of INDIA and BHARAT without any
problem.
What is our problem?
Rajen Barua
From: uttam borthakur
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:20 AM
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
Are we discussing the spelling of 'Assam' in English or how it is
pronounced? ( Please note that being an Oxomiya I do not pronounce 'a' as
the Brits and the Americans do. So, by 'how it is pronounced' I mean by
peoples across the board)
Uttam Kumar Borthakur
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From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
<assam at assamnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 8:27:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
Who are " they"? If the certified authorities already know the truth, then
why should the issue be 'mired in controvery'?That is the sole reason why we
need a consensus.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>>
>
>
> **** I don't know WHO might argue otherwise. I suspect the authorities
> whose certification would be required to accept the authenticity of the
> Dutch documents that Wahid Saleh showed us need some prodding to do the
due
> diligence. But then again they may already know the truths they need to
> know and would not stoop to examine something found by rank amateurs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 9:15 AM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> I f the etymology of Assam " is mired in controversy",then why must we
>> accept Assam ( mark you,not Asam/Acam/Asham )as the original name of our
>> state?By the way,hypothesis is one thing while ' undeniable fact '
>> quite another.
>> At no point of my writing did I suggest that the name Assam should not be
>> accepted as the name of our state.That is not the moot point.
>> If the " word Assam has not found incontrovertible origin",in what sense
>> would it be wrong to say that the very name called Assam could be an
>> Anglicised one?
>> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>> KJ Deka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, uttam borthakur <
>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.
>>>
>>> ####### 'I think' was to suggest that I do not have the copy of the
>>> newspaper that published Professor Jogen Phukan's photograph addressing
>>> a
>>> huge rally of some sort on this isuue, nor do I have access to the TV
>>> footage reporting it. My memory of the news items therefore may not be
>>> unwavering truth, but it can possibly be retrieved by resouceful
>>> persons.
>>>
>>> As the question of 'real historian' was tossed up, I thought I may make
>>> an
>>> addition to the bibliography provided by Sri Rajen Barua and W. Saleh.
>>> But I
>>> should not have dared where angels fear to tread.
>>>
>>> You are correct that the word 'Assam' has not found an incontrovertible
>>> origin. So have many things in life. Like the origin of the human beings
>>> and/or life itself. But we do not teach or push it down some one's
>>> throat
>>> that Adam and Eve started the whole process, though there are many
>>> takers
>>> for such an idea. We all work on working hypothesis and probability as
>>> adults.
>>>
>>> Here, the origin of the word 'Assam' is still mired in controversy. Then
>>> there should not be any reason to say for sure that it is anglicised
>>> version
>>> of Oxom or some other such words nor there should be any inchoate
>>> attempts
>>> to rename the state Asom, as some quarters are trying to do.
>>>
>>> Pending a final resolution, if any, let us accept ASSAM as a name by
>>> which
>>> our land is known to the world, and OXOM is what we ourselves call our
>>> land
>>> as.
>>>
>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>> <
>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 6:26:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>>> The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.Simply put,there is no consensus among
>>> academicians/historians in so far as this issue is concerned.
>>>
>> > KJDeka
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM, uttam borthakur <
>>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think a 'real historian' Dr. Jogen Phukan almost led an mass action
>>> > against the change of name to Asom for same or similar reasons.
>>> >
>>> > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>> world <
>>> > assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, 14 March, 2009 7:45:49 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>> > >
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > Dear Kamal Bhaity:
>>> > Thanks for your opinion on my article and stating your 'belief'.
>>> > My article was written not to change yours or anybody's 'belief', but
>>> to
>>> > let people see the facts and to think rationally analysing the
>>> available
>>> > facts of history. If one does that, one will normally come to the
>>> obvious
>>> > conclusion that Assam is not a anglicized word. In your writing also
>>> you
>>> > have indicated that. However your problem in still sticking to your
>>> old
>>> > belief that Assam is an anglicized word seems to be two:
>>> > 1) You are convinced about the rational argument that Assam, Asam
>>> (phonetic
>>> > pronunciation only) is a local word but that you are not yet 100%
>>> convinced
>>> > and that you still have some shadow of doubt.
>>> > 2) Your other problem is that you want to see some writing by some
>>> "real"
>>> > historians and not to be convinced by writing of of some 'neophyte
>>> > historians" like us. Here what you are saying is that you would have
>>> been
>>> > convinced of our arguments had we been "real" historians. I cannot
>>> help
>>> you
>>> > there. But I take it as a compliment. Because what you are saying is
>>> that
>>> if
>>> > I would have a PhD degree in history you would have been convinced
>>> beyond
>>> a
>>> > shadow of doubt that my arguments are correct and the name Assam or
>>> Asam
>>> is
>>> > not an anglicized word. ( I think I qualify for your other
>>> requirement. I
>>> > have spent decades now studying the history of Assam albeit not for
>>> any
>>> > degree.)
>>> >
>>> > I can however help you to some extent by submitting the following.
>>> >
>>> > Hope you remember that in 2006, we (some neophyte historians) wrote a
>>> > Petition to the Chief Minister of Assam not to change the name of
>>> Assam
>>> to
>>> > Asom. The main arguments of the Petition was that 'Assam' is not an
>>> > anglicized word but a word which was rooted in local culture. We sent
>>> the
>>> > Petition to many historians, intellectuals and men of letters of Assam
>>> for
>>> > their support and signatures. To convince them of our argument, I
>>> personally
>>> > took the pain to discuss with many of them and sent them the earlier
>>> > version of my article. You will be happy to know all of them that we
>>> have
>>> > approcahed supported our arguments and signed the Petition. These
>>> include
>>> > several Ex President of Axam Xahutya Xobha and many notable historians
>>> > including Dr Jogendra Nath Phukan and Dr Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia. It was
>>> also
>>> > supported by Dr Bhupen Hazarika, Dr Hiren Gohain and whose signature
>>> did
>>> not
>>> > appear in the Petition. I present this as their stamp of approval of
>>> my
>>> > arguments for
>>> > your information since you are looking for support from "real"
>>> historians.
>>> >
>>> > Besides these, there are many "real" historians who have shown that
>>> 'Assam'
>>> > or 'Asam" is not a anglicised name. I have cited some in my article.
>>> You
>>> > will have read for yourself to see their writing.
>>> >
>>> > I post below the first fefteen signatories to the Petion (the fist
>>> three
>>> > being the 'neophyte historians, in your words)
>>> >
>>> > Again, I am not trying to change your belief, but laying the facts for
>>> > rational thinking.
>>> >
>>> > The fist fifteen signatories of the Petition:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1)Rajen & Ajanta Barua, Katy, Texas, USA (Engineer, Writer & Manager)
>>> > 2)Chandan & Dr. Bonti Mahanta, St Louis, MO, USA (Architect &
>>>
>> > Radiologist)
>>
>>> > 3)Wahid Saleh, Berkel en Rodenrijs, The Netherlands. (Retired IT
>>> Manager,
>>> > Community service)
>>> >
>>> > 4)Homen Borgohain, Guwahati, Assam, ((Ex President Axam Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 5)Dr. Nagen Saikia , Guwahati, Assam (Ex President, Axam Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 6)Dr.Biren Dutta, Guwahati, Assam, (Ex President Axam Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 7)Dr. Lakhinandan Bora, Guwahati, Assam , (Ex President Axam Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 8)Dr. Mamoni Raisom Goswami, Guwahati/Delhi, (Gyanpith Award Winner,
>>> > Novelist, Professor)
>>>
>> > > 9)Nagen Baruah, Dibrugarh, Assam (President Ahom Xahitya Xabha)
>>
>>> > 10)Dr. Jogendra Nath Phukan, Guwahati, Assam (Professor of History)
>>> > 11)Sanjoy Hazarika, Guwahati/Delhi, India (Journalist, Author, Social
>>> > Worker)
>>> > 12)Shantikam & Sangita Hazarika, Guwahati, (Founder Director of AIM &
>>> Dance
>>> > Teacher)
>>> > 13)Sumanta Chaliha, Guwahati, Assam, (Lexicographer, Author of
>>> Assamese
>>> > Dictionaries)
>>> > 14)Dr. Amrit Kr. Baruah, Baltimore, Maryland, USA (Writer, Author,
>>> > Management Consultant)
>>> > 15)Dr. Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia, Chapel Hill, NC, USA (Professor of
>>> History,
>>> > Author on Ahom Buronjis)
>>> >
>>> > Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: kamal deka
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:47 PM
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>> world
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > In various documents of British East India Company, in their
>>> relationships
>>> > with the last few Ahom kings, the name of country was mentioned as
>>> Assam.
>>> > After the fall of the Ahom kingdom and the conquest by the British in
>>> 1826,
>>> > in the Treaty of Yandabo, "Assam" was used to denote the area under
>>> the
>>> > erstwhile Ahoms, and its protectorates .
>>> >
>>> > *Theories on etymology*
>>> >
>>> > Though there exists a consensus on the fact that the name Assam is
>>> > associated with the Ahom kingdom, and the exact etymology of Assam is
>>> not
>>> > clear.The ere are a number of theories that address this issue.
>>> >
>>> > *Ha-sam*
>>> >
>>> > According to Amalendu Guha "The Ahom domain of Upper Assam came to be
>>> known
>>> > to the Dimasa and other Bodo people as "Ha-Sam" (the land of the Shams
>>> or
>>> > Shans) in etheir language. From this the terms 'Asam' and 'Ahom' were
>>> > derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for the
>>> expanded
>>> > Ahom klngdom. Under the impact of the Indo-Aryan heritage of the
>>> region,
>>> > the
>>> > concept of 'Asam' was further extended to cover the entire area
>>> defined
>>> as
>>> > 'Kamarupa' in the Kalika-Purana (c 9th-10th centuries). The Ahom
>>> statesmen
>>> > and chroniclers wishfully looked forward to the Karatoya as their
>>> natural
>>> > western frontier. They also looked upon themselves as the heirs of
>>> that
>>> > glory that was ancient Kamarupa by right of conquest, and they long
>>> > cherished infructuously their unfulfilled hopes of expanding up to
>>> that
>>> > frontier." [*The Ahom Political System: An Enquiry into the State
>>> Formation
>>> > Process in Medieval Assam (1228-1714), Amalendu Guha, Social
>>> Scientist,
>>> > Vol.
>>> > 11, No. 12. (Dec., 1983), pp. 3-34.*]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Forwarded from: Fwd: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE]
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>>> > >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:50:23 -0500
>>> > >> Subject: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About
>>> the
>>> > Name
>>> > >> Assam
>>> > >> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-ff-m
>>> > >> Reply-To: AssamSociety at yahoogroups.com
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid:
>>> > >> Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name 'Asam' or 'Asham'
>>> (for
>>> > the
>>> > >> name of the land) was much older than whcih came to be used for
>>> the
>>> > name of
>>> > >> the land only in the 17th century. Originally, the word was used
>>> in
>>> the
>>> > >> Kirton by Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in the 15th
>>> century.
>>> > >> According to me, this word (for the people) as used by Xongkordeu,
>>> was
>>> > >> originally derived from the word Asahm (for the people written in
>>> > Devanagari
>>> > >> and Urdu skript) by the Moghols. This word later was used for the
>>> land
>>> > >> (instead of the people), and a new word Ahom was used for the
>>> people.
>>> > Thus
>>> > >> Ahom is also a new word, which is not to found in Ti Ahom Buronjis.
>>> > Please
>>> > >> note that the word Asham was originally used for the people and was
>>> > later
>>> > >> changed to mean the land instead of the people when the Moghols
>>> used
>>> the
>>> > >> name in correspondence.
>>> > >> Thanks
>>> > >> Rajen
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM) <<mailto:
>>> > >> wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rajen,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks for sharing your article " "In your article you mentioned
>>> about
>>> > >> Glanius.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Till now almost all the historians thought that Glanius went to
>>> Assam.
>>> > But
>>> > >> it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a Dutch sailor named
>>> Frans
>>> > van
>>> > >> der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju Mala. He kept a
>>> diary
>>> > >> which was first published in 1675. It is very difficult to find out
>>> who
>>> > >> Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch including the
>>> diary
>>> of
>>> > >> Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was published in 1682
>>> > (from
>>> > >> UK). In his translation he used first person and nowhere mentioned
>>> or
>>> > >> referred to the name of the original author Frans van de Heiden. As
>>> most
>>> > of
>>> > >> the historians had access to the English translation only, they
>>> took
>>> it
>>> > for
>>> > >> granted that Glanius went to Assam. I tried to find out about
>>> Glanius
>>> > and
>>> > >> published an article. Here you will get some back ground
>>> information.
>>> A
>>> > >> mistake did slip in to this version of the article. I misspelt the
>>> name
>>> > of
>>> > >> Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
>>>
>> > > >>
>>
>>> > >> It is certain that the name Assam existed before Mirju Mala invaded
>>> > Assam
>>> > >> and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise Frans van der
>>> Heiden
>>> > would
>>> > >> not be in a position to write about Assam and Assmers. Different
>>> Mughal
>>> > >> historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham, Acham and ?s?m in
>>> their
>>> > >> writings." Asom" with an "o" in between was unknown to them. In
>>> > particular,
>>> > >> the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the following publications:
>>>
>> > Abul
>>
>>> > >> Fazal All?mi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a biographical
>>> account
>>> of
>>> > >> Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of Asham".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden wrote his diary in
>>> > 1662.
>>> > >> To write about the place and its inhabitants he used the name of
>>> the
>>> > State
>>> > >> as it was known at that time to the local people. Otherwise he
>>> would
>>> not
>>> > >> have used the name.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So we should start asking the question when was the name of Assam
>>> > changed
>>> > >> to ? In any case it is after 1662.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Van: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com [mailto:<mailto:
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com]
>>> > Namens
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >> Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
>>> > >> Aan: assamnet
>>> > >> CC: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
>>> > >> Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Friends
>>> > >> Looks like many people still think that Assam is an englished word
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > >> word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days written as
>>> Assam)
>>> is
>>> > much
>>> > >> older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later origin. One may
>>> read
>>> > my
>>> > >> article attached.
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
>>> > >>> To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
>>> > >>> >called the land "Oxom",
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> *** You do?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Did you know that the Ahom people, by and large, cannot pronounce
>>> the
>>> > >>> 'xo' sound and pronounce it as 'ho' or 'kho'?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
****************************************************************************
***********************************
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >".......an invention of an European, and thus not credible?" - I
>>> am
>>> > >>> >not suggesting that at all. I am not Europhobic. :-)
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >Let's take the British days - the maps and the official records
>>> > >>> >meticulously prepared during that time called "Oxom" as "Assam"
>>> > >>> >whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
>>> called
>>> > >>> >the land "Oxom", the big difference being the sound of "x"
>>> versus
>>> > >>> >"s". What credibility would you give to the authenticity of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >"Assam" used by the British?
>>> > >>> >In the same token, why would I accept "Asam" as written by a
>>> Dutch
>>> > >>> >in 17th century as an authentic name? The Dutch, just like the
>>> > >>> >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
>>> > >>> >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch map as the original name, when
>>> did
>>> > >>> >it change to today's "Oxom" and who changed it?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >I still say "Assam" is anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized.
>>> Boy!
>>> > >>> >that sounds too much like Hollandaise sauce.
>>> > >>> >I am surprised there was no comment on the rest of my email.
>>> > >>> >Dilip
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >________________________________
>>> > >>> >From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
>>> the
>>>
>> > > >>> >world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>;
>> <mailto:
>>
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
>>> > >>> >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
>>> > >>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >> But I wouldn't use these books nor a book written in another
>>> > >>> >>European language (Dutch) to prove that >Assam is an indigenous
>>> > word.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch traveller who prepared the
>>> map
>>>
>> > > >>> where
>>
>>> > >>> >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was likely an invention of an
>>> European,
>>> > >>> >and thus not credible?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >>Kamal,
>>> > >>> >>In today's parlance, you are absolutely correct. The local
>>> people
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>call the land "Oxom" and, themselves "Oxomiya". When those
>>> words
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>are written as "Assam" and "Assamese", it is an attempt to
>>> anglicize
>>> > >>> >>the locally used words.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Now whether Oxom was derived from another word that was local
>>> to
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is another issue.
>>> > >>> >>As we all know the region (at least the western part) was
>>> called
>>> > >>> >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the name Kamrupa to change
>>> to
>>> > >>> >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There is no resemblance between
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>two words. So the natural assumption would be that the
>>> > >>> >>transformation to Oxom did not happen with the so called Hindu
>>> > >>> >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is more likely it happened
>>> with
>>> > >>> > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms, who for the first time
>>> in a
>>> > >>> >>long time brought the people of the region under one rule
>>> through
>>> > >>> >>political acumen.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I have in my possession books written/compiled by British
>>> officers
>>> > >>> >>where the word Assam is used. But I wouldn't use these books
>>> nor a
>>> > >>> >>book written in another European language (Dutch) to prove that
>>> > >>> >>Assam is an indigenous word. There needs to be more research
>>> done
>>> by
>>> > >>> >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the Buranjis of the Ahoms and
>>> whatever
>>> > >>> >>remains of the Ahom language.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many Buranjis were burnt
>>> during
>>> > >>> >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am also told many Buranjis are
>>> > >>> >>still available in the Ahom villages kept as family heirloom.
>>> Does
>>> > >>> >>anyone know how to read and decipher these tomes?
>>> > >>> >>Isn't there a scholar in all of Assam who could trace through
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>transformation of Ahom language from 1228 to the British days
>>> > >>> >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by the Ahoms to describe
>>> their
>>> > >>> kingdom?
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask how the Shans from Burma
>>> > >>> >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when it happened.
>>> > >>> >>If all of this is known to some netter, please publish it, so
>>> that
>>> > >>> > >some of us not exposed to recent findings in Assam can learn
>>> and
>>> > >>> >>stop arguing over a name.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Dilip Deka
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>________________________________
>>> > >>> >>From: kamal deka <<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > >>> >>To: <mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; A
>>> Mailing
>>> > list
>>> > >>> for people interested in
>>> > >>> >>Assam from around the world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39 AM
>>> > >>> >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>In my humble view,the very word " Assam" is an Anglicised
>>> one.As
>>> an
>>> > >>> >>adjective," Assamese " pertains to the characteristic of the
>>> people
>>> > of
>>> > >>> >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it means the native of Assam
>>> or
>>> > the
>>> > >>> >>language of Assam.
>>> > >>> >>In view of the above fact.Assam Sahitya Sabha may not be in
>>> error.
>>>
>> > > >>> >>Kamal
>>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy Hazarika <<mailto:
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If you do not know anything
>>> about
>>> > it,
>>> > >>> >>> an article written by H. Borgohain. I could not find the
>>> article,
>>> > >>> >>> otherwise I could have forwarded to you.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have that article please forward
>>> that
>>>
>> > to
>>
>>> > .
>>> > >>> Oxom
>>> > >>> >>> Xahityo Xobha
>>> > >>> >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha
>>> study
>>> > >>> >>> the Bodo language. There are other historical facts. Chandan
>>> and
>>> > >>> Rajen
>>> > >>> >>> can help.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> A. D. Hazarika
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta <<mailto:
>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>> From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >>> To: <mailto:info at axomxahityaxobha.org>
>>> info at axomxahityaxobha.org
>>> > >>> >>> Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05 PM
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya Sabha was formed as a
>>> > >>> >>> >guardian of the Assamese society and the forum for the
>>> > >>> >> > >development of Assamese language and literature.
>>> > >>> >>> >The word Assamese is an English one, built on the same
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> >principle as Cingalese, Canarese, etc. It is based on the
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>> >English word Assam by which the tract consisting of the
>>> > >>> >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> *** It is pretty sad that you don't know the origins of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >>> Assam, that you claim is an English name.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> It is such display of ignorance of our history and an absence
>>> of
>>> > >>> >>> intellectual curiosity to know what it truly is, that makes
>>> the
>>> > >>> likes
>>> > >>> >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant to our cultural heritage
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Sondon Mohonto
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> USA
>>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> > >>> >>> assam mailing list
>>> > >>> >>> <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> >>> <http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________
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